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Forum topic by origamisan posted 124 days ago 948 views 0 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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origamisan

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124 days ago

So I am looking for a new table saw. Up to this point I have only owned some pretty crappy portable and bench top saws. I’m an amateur woodworker at best, but I also appreciate quality tools. I’m finally in the market for something a little more permanent. So here’s my situation. I am building a house this summer. I plan on doing all of the wood working myself including all of the cabinetry in the house. I need something semi mobile so a rolling base is a must until the house is finished. My budget for a table saw is right around $1000. I have been looking at the following saws.

Grizzly G0715P
This is my top pick at the moment. I have read that some people have had alignment problems but it seems that grizzly is pretty good about their customer service on this issue.

Delta 36-725
I am not 100% enthusiastic about this saw, but the Lowes close to me will take a 25% off harbor freight coupon and that makes this saw about $430, which puts me way under budget and will let me upgrade to a nice cabinet saw once the house is finished. This saw would basically a temporary saw to help me get through the house building and then get sold for funds to upgrade to a cabinet saw

Used Market
I live in the Finger Lakes region of New York. I have been checking Syracuse, Rochester, and Binghamton craigs list ads regularly. I have seen one that is slightly interesting its a Grizzly 1023S with a shop fox fence and 2 sets of rails (47” and 7’) for $800. Any opinions on that price?

I’d also be interested in other saws if anyone has any opinions on good cabinet/hybrid/contractor saws.


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NiteWalker

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#1 posted 124 days ago

I’d save a bit more and get a 1023 new from grizzly.
It’s not much more than the craigslist ad, and you get a riving knife and warranty. That makes up the cost difference IMHO.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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guitchess

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#2 posted 124 days ago

I would go with the Grizzly if it were my choice. I looked at that Delta at Lowes, and it seems as though it was geared more for consumer use instead of professional. Of course, that could just be my perception of the design aesthetic. Also, my preference for a tool as important as the table saw, is to go with new.

I have a General international contractor’s saw and I love it. I would say that it is comparable in nature to a Grizzly. I’ve only been in contact with Grizzly tools in their showroom though.

As far as going with cheaper saw now and upgrading later, I would opt for the better saw now. It may seem like splurging to go more expensive now, but it will make the home building process more enjoyable.

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bonesbr549

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#3 posted 124 days ago

I had the 1023slx for over 9 years and sold it with an overarm dust guard and shopfox mobile base for 800. Not a bad saw. I only sold it to upgrade to 5hp sawstop. I’d go in and offer 700 on the 1023. I would suggest you check the arbor for runout though just to be safe. Mine was dead on the day I sold it as it was the day i got it good luck.

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retfr8flyr

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#4 posted 124 days ago

First you need to wire the garage for 220v, then spend a little more then you’re planning and get the 1023. You will be way ahead in the long run with this saw over the other choices.

-- Earl

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HorizontalMike

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#5 posted 124 days ago

I agree with those above, G1023RLW at a minimum, though I ended up with a G0690 and love it.

My only advice is to buy one or two models higher than the lowest, for the particular type of saw you are looking at. IMO, even the best companies have a low “price leader” model to get you in the door. I feel that those price leaders have a higher degree of issues than higher models, though it still is possible to get a peach off the lowest limb. Since this will be your SECOND TS, why not complete the trip and buy what you really deserve this time. I would hate to see you upgrade for a third time in a couple of years because you still didn’t get what you needed/desired.

Good luck on choosing. This is the best of times when shopping for new WW toys.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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origamisan

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#6 posted 124 days ago

I would definitely prefer to try to stretch the budget and go for one of the higher model Grizzly saws. It’s all a matter of balancing the tool budget inside the larger house budget at this point. If I do decide to go higher and look at the G1023RLW, is there any reason to go with it over the G0690? They are pretty much the same price at the moment.

Thanks for all the opinions so far.

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HorizontalMike

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#7 posted 124 days ago

The G0690 has a very long track record and the G1023RLW is the new kid on the block. The G0690 has a trunnion that looks very much like the old 1023SLW and is a proven design. The G1023RLW has a newer dust shroud and trunnion design that appears to be popular in today’s market.

To tell the truth, I had a G1023RLW on order (back when they were just being released) and kept getting delivery date delays. I ended up ordering the G0690 because it was in stock and could be delivered in short order. When it arrived and I started using the G0690, I never looked back. I love it. You can’t lose with either, IMO.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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knotscott

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#8 posted 124 days ago

The jump to something like the G1023RL is a significant step up, for not a lot more money….currently $1294 shipped. For Mike’s sake, the G0690 is a heck of a deal too! ;-)

The G1023S for $800 isn’t a terrible deal….it’ll be right tilt, have a traditional splitter vs a riving knife, and comes with no warranty. An offer of $700 would be very reasonable.

There’s a Delta Unisaw in East Stroudsberg for $1200….no pic, “like new condition”, no mention of fence, tilt direction, or riving knife.

There’s an older Grisly G1023 in Natural Bridge for $550….has a mobile base and an older fence. New fence adds at least $180, but you could probably sell the stock fence for $50-$100 to offset cost…..perhaps they’d take $450 or $500.

There’s a two year old Griz G0713 in Rochester for $800….a little steep IMO, but is left tilt with a riving knife. An offer of $650 is fair IMO.

There’s also a General International 50-220 hybrid in Rochester for $800….left tilt, great fence, traditional splitter. Also a tad overpriced IMO, but an offer can’t hurt if you love it.

I like to show this pic to make a point about the difference between a cabinet saw and a hybrid…nothing wrong with a hybrid if you’re limited to 120v and don’t have the budget for a cabinet saw, but an industrial cabinet saw really is a bunch more saw:

G1023RL:

Former G0478 hybrid (similar to the G0715P):

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Shawn Masterson

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#9 posted 124 days ago

If you intend to get cabinet saw later then just save yourself the hassle and get it now.

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Rick M.

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#10 posted 123 days ago

I agree with Shawn. What I find funny about these threads is whatever amount you volunteer as your budget, half or more of the folks will tell you spend more. $500 budget—gotta spend $900. $1,000 budget—spend $1,300. $2,000 budget—better make it $2,500. Want a 120v saw, nah! Gotta be 220v! I’m not criticizing anyone’s rational, just an amusing observation on how these threads go. LJ’s are great salesman.

-- |Statistics show that 100% of people bitten by a snake were close to it.|

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NiteWalker

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#11 posted 123 days ago

The reason is some of us have been through the buy “cheap now, regret it later” ordeal.
You end up spending more overall when you upgrade a cheaper saw later on.

I wish I had splurged on a good table saw from the beginning.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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lateralus819

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#12 posted 123 days ago

I bought a 1023 right tilt 1999 model, like brand new with a brand new shop fox classic fence for $600. I had to change all the bearings for $60. Works like new. Id try and get them down.

-- Never confuse mistakes with failure. Kevin

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HorizontalMike

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#13 posted 123 days ago

NiteWalker +10

I DID spend more than my original misguided budget called for. I originally budgeted for a $400 tablesaw. I ended up spending just over $1700 delivered, for the G0690 with cast iron router extension and mobile base w/extension. I have NEVER regretted doing this, as this saw is great.

I have LJs to thank in talking me into making this a one-time decision, rather than a series of ”buy cheap and upgrade later” tablesaws. Besides the savings in overall costs, I also avoided the hassle of physically replacing and selling something that was being discarded and all the haggling that goes with that process.

Unlike so many other things in modern life, buying quality WW equipment does NOT have to be a disposable purchase.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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adrianpglover

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#14 posted 123 days ago

I waited over 2 years using an older model borrowed Shopsmith MKV. Nothing wrong with it, just not great as a TS. Part of my wait was for the reasons mentioned here (hassle of getting rid of the old model, overall expense, getting upset at cheaper tools), but another part of it was that I only have to convince the wife to let me buy the saw once, and not twice. She has the same dilemma with me when it comes to kitchen appliances.

I’ve never been to a Grizzly showroom, as the closest one is ~650 miles away, so I can’t comment on models that I don’t have. I have a Grizzly DC and the G1023RLWX. I’ve posted a review on the G1023RLWX, which also includes some about the mobile base that Rockler makes. I love the combination and don’t think I’ll ever get rid of it. I viewed this as a one time buy.

That being said, know what you’re getting into with Grizzly. They make good tools from what I’ve seen, but they skimp on shipping companies and overall packaging of the tools. Both my TS and DC had some damage due to shipping and lack of padding in their boxes. On a new Grizzly saw delivered to your home, you could probably expect some minor damage, which Grizzly customer service will be more than happy to resolve for you. I only mention this because at these price ranges some people tend to expect perfection, when they’re really getting something at a significant discount when compared to other brands. Just some food for thought.

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knotscott

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#15 posted 123 days ago

This one is a bit of a hike (near Darien Lake), and a tad overpriced, but it might be worth an inquiry and a reasonable offer. http://buffalo.craigslist.org/tls/4386100790.html

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