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04-13-2014 12:42 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question plane

I got three new planes, two #5, and one #4
i have questions about all of them but i will start with my Stanley#5
What type is it? I think its a type 13? not sure
Need a tote for it and a couple of screws and i don’t know were to get the parts.

oh and on the left side of the sole by the frog there is ’’21’’ stamped into it can post a pic if you need

Thanks for the help in advanced!!

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/


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#1 posted 04-13-2014 12:53 AM

I’d say its a very early type 10 with the wrong lever cap. Starting with type 12 and later, they had high knobs and large cutter adjustment knobs.

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#2 posted 04-13-2014 01:03 AM

What would the right lever cap look like?
And if you would not mind explain to my none educated brain what makes this a type 10

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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#3 posted 04-13-2014 01:11 AM

Go to my references (http://lumberjocks.com/donwilwol/blog/24092) and look at the sites in the dating section. Every one has a favorite, I think the mega chart is the most detailed.

A type study is a study of what the details of a plane was year by year. Its a study, so there is some variations.

Yours has a single patent date, a short knob, small adjuster and frog adjustment screw, which leads me to an early type 10. Most type 10s had two patent dates, and everything else the same.

Besides the tote, what else do you need?

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#4 posted 04-13-2014 01:13 AM

The correct lever cap would have no logo and would have the keyhole shaped hole.

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#5 posted 04-13-2014 01:27 AM

would by any chance this be the right lever cap?????

i need a screw to hold the front of the tote and a screw for right under the frog to adjust the frog. (last pic from original post)

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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#6 posted 04-13-2014 01:45 AM

just looked at that link, dang!! you have a lot of info up there i don’t even no were to start
LOL

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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#7 posted 04-13-2014 02:03 AM

As for parts there’s always eBay. Be careful. Enlarge and examine the pictures closely. I recently bought a No. 5 that looked stellar but was disappointed when I got the plane. I don’t think the seller was being dishonest or retouched the photos. I should have examined them more closely. I had to put a couple hours more work into the plane but now she’s a beauty.

If you decide to go the eBay route be prepared to buy a “lot” of parts. That means you may have to buy more than what you need or stuff that you don’t need at all.

Many thanks to DonW for his input. I always wondered how you could tell one “type” from another. I just received some free education – which is way cool!

-- G5Flyr

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#8 posted 04-13-2014 02:33 AM

My first thought is that it is a plane made up of a lot of mismatched parts.

Does the back of the frog receiver on the base have a threaded hole that is missing a screw? That patent date should be a type 13 or later, but all those have frog adjustment screws.

Low knob and small adjuster, however, are from a type 11 or earlier.

And, as pointed out, the kidney hole lever cap is from a later type. The plain cap in the follow up pics would be from a type 12 or earlier.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#9 posted 04-13-2014 02:48 AM

I agree with Jay. I think the low knob is incorrect. Single 1910 patent is type 13 or a bit later. The body of the plane is missing the frog adjustment screw. The Stanley lever cap is likely right. Needs a High knob if your worried about being accurate.

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#10 posted 04-13-2014 02:48 AM

Oh. Add a tote and a screw and you should have a good usable plane.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#11 posted 04-13-2014 02:52 AM

Just to be clear. The screw I am referring to. :)

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#12 posted 04-13-2014 03:11 AM

my first thought was that it is made up of a bunch of parts too
the body does have a threaded hole to receive the frog adjustment screw.
Question do you think that the frog is the right one for this? and as for the body am i right to think it’s a type 13
really not important to have all the ’’right’’ parts i plan to use this for bringing stuff from really rough to start to smoothing it out i have another great jack that i have set to take very thin shavings of all most like a smoother
just im very eager to learn all about hand planes and the thing is i don’t like to read all the sites with tons of info i’d rather talk about it in a forum.

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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#13 posted 04-13-2014 03:18 AM

i have another no. 5 it has no markings on it except in front of the knob it says 5
it has blue Japanning i almost wonder if the knob on there is for this guy

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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#14 posted 04-13-2014 03:42 AM

If there is no raised ring cast as part of the base under the knob, and there doesn’t appear to be in the photos, then yes, the body would be a type 13. The frog, outside of the small adjustment knob, would be the correct style. That style of frog was used on a lot of Stanley planes—types 10-15, I believe.

Even though the lever cap and knob aren’t original to the plane and not correct for the type, there is no reason they won’t work just fine for a user. The frog adustment screw also isn’t really necessary, more of a convenience when setting up the plane the first time.

Good luck and welcome to the slippery slope of handplanes. You might want to check out the “Handplanes of your Dreams” thread, as well. Don’t feel you have to read the whole thing, unless you are a glutton for punishment, but just jump right in and you’ll find a whole bunch that share the hand plane sickness.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#15 posted 04-13-2014 03:54 AM

yeah i can snap a pic real quick if you want cause i’m not to sure about the ring thing. there is some sort of raised piece that knob goes over. is that something you would see with the knob or off?

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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