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04-11-2014 11:25 PM

Any electrical gurus know how I can set up my own wireless remote system. In the past I have read about this but that was a long time ago and who knows where I read about wireless.

We have a 5 hp motor so I was not going to buy the Loneranger system or anything. What I do have from Grainger is a Contactor and a transformer. I know these parts are required for something. I bought them a long time ago but never got around to using them so they just set in my drawer.

I am guessing that my new transformer is wired to some type of low voltage receiver which is wired to the contactor that is wired to the DC receptacle. I don’t have any diagram to go off of. Any help will be a huge for us.

We are just now getting to where we are setting up Dust Collection.

We have built 2 jobs in our shop now and slowly setting things up whenever we can. I took today getting duct work hooked to all of our machines. I am anxious for the day when everything is hooked to DC and we can use low voltage remotes to turn on and off our DC from each machine. This way we can have nearly a dustless environment.

As much as I love working in the shop, I do not like the dust…

Thanks for the help.

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#1 posted 04-11-2014 11:37 PM

Well, you can hook up switches to blast gates. I think
you can run a bunch of 110v lines to the blast gate switches
and every time a switch opens you have a widget that
triggers your 220v main switch.

I know this isn’t a real satisfactory answer but it is something
you might cobble together cheaply in your spare time (ha!).

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#2 posted 04-11-2014 11:43 PM

Loren, I like the (ha!) :)

I actually was going to do just what you are speaking about. However, my parents helped us wire the shop and they took extreme care in making sure all wires were correct and concealed in pipe, etc. So running wire would likely need to be in pipe otherwise it will look sloppy when compared to all the other wiring my parents did (wiring is there cup of tea and what they like to do). And the spare time thing, not much going there these days…

What I thought about doing is similar to your idea, running one 12/2 wire to our center column which is only 20-30 feet from most machines and just run central switch. That could be done quicker and with less wires.

Thanks for the input though. I am thinking a lot about it because I don’t want to walk to the office area (about 60’ away) every time we turn the DC on and off.

By the way I was going to send you a PM later. No big deal or anything.

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#3 posted 04-12-2014 12:28 AM

Jerry, just jump up there to the search box and enter wireless remote. I was going to get the addresses for you but decided there were just too many and probably some you are not interested in looking into. Work this out and pick the best for the rest….LOL

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#4 posted 04-12-2014 12:31 AM

Thanks Grandpa. Being tired and lazy I did not think of running that search. I bet there is tons to read about. Well I have my next hour of reading planned out for me. Thanks. ;)

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#5 posted 04-12-2014 12:55 AM

I just sold my wireless remote, but it would not handle 5hp. I just did a review of the grngate system I nstalled, and it would work for you and is slick. Cut your tool on, it comes on and opens the gate. Cut off the tool, and the vac runs for a short while and cuts off and the gate closes.

http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3871

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#6 posted 04-12-2014 01:19 AM

All the remotes I remember seeing here on LJ are 2 1/2 hp or less. Probably the easiest way and cheapest would be to use a low HP remote to operate a 120 volt relay and the relay would start your motor starter or possibly the remote could operate your 5 HP motor starter directly.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#7 posted 04-12-2014 01:56 AM

What Loren is suggesting is what I have in my shop. I think its the best way to operate things.
I also have a remote contolled one too. The gate is the nicest. you open it to turn on, shut it to shut down, if multiple tools are on at once, it stays on when one closes and others are on.

-- Jeff NJ

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#8 posted 04-12-2014 02:03 AM

Jerry, High voltage, 110, 220, 480 would be put in the conduit.
Low voltage for the switches will not require it. I think my low voltage is 12 volts. Then that trigger goes to the relay which is what turns on the high voltage in your case 220v.

-- Jeff NJ

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#9 posted 04-12-2014 02:12 AM

Thanks Jeff, I am considering that. A low voltage line would be fairly simple.

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#10 posted 04-12-2014 02:47 AM

on mine I have 5hp contact relay that is tripped by a 110 volt supply for the big DC. mine is a little heavier duty than the one in the link. Then I used a cheap remote from menards to trip the relay. The relay simply plugs into the remote. Here is how the RPC looks with the remote added. The remote I have has 3 receivers so I have it setup to run both DC units and the phase converter. I have meaning to blog about it, but I haven’t had the time to take pix to make it easier to understand. I know I have less than $50 invested in it and it works from anywhere in the shop.

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#11 posted 04-12-2014 03:37 AM

Hey Shawn, I have the same motor relay, I got it from Grainger. So how is the RPC doing? That looks to be a nice set up. We have a 3 phase 5 HP planer also I hope to convert to single phase by replacing the motor down the road. But for now it is just a toy I hope to tinker and play with whenever I have some spare time.

As good as the low voltage switches on blast gates sound, I just Dont have ample time to rig that up now. Going with cheap remotes I can be up and running tomorrow. So far we have been running molding, planing, drum sanding, all without any dust collection. It sucks, well without DC it really doesn’t suck.

Phase 1 of DC hopefully will be running tomorrow which includes DC to planer, molder, sander, shapers and the base cabinet portion of 2 table saws.

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#12 posted 04-12-2014 03:43 AM

Personally I think the remote is a cleaner install. The RPC is performing flawlessly. I flip the switch on as I walk in and I can then turn it on from anywhere in the shop as needed. the best pat is if I am planing I need the DC and it all functions on the same remote. If you need help with the remote PM me in the morning and I can walk you through it. I live in northern Indiana so I think we are on the same time. Its currently 11:43 here.

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#13 posted 04-12-2014 03:49 AM

Thanks Shawn. I have a clear understanding of the wiring. It will take me the entire day to finish my duct work, set up the DC on the platform we built for it. Then I will have to go to HD in search of some remotes.

I grew up in. Northern IN. I stayed there until I turned 18. Lots if friends and family there.

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#14 posted 04-12-2014 04:48 AM

I am putting my dust collection system in a closet that I’m building. I glanced at these remote controlled systems and blast gate controlled systems, but I just can’t see it. Aside from being somewhat expensive, They look prone to problems. Drop the remote on the concrete floor and your out $70 or more. I guess I’m just not as lazy as most people, but I am a little lazy, I bought a double pole 20 Amp light switch and wired it into the circuit for my dust collector and mounted into the bank of switches on the outside of the closet. To turn on/off the DC, or my compressor, I just have to walk a few paces and flip a switch. The compressor is on a different circuit of course than the DC, in fact, it has a 2-way switch as I have piping upstairs into my master bedroom. KINKY!

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#15 posted 04-12-2014 12:11 PM

And for the reasons whiskers posted is my favorite thing about using the cheap remotes with a contact relay. If you lose/break the remote, then just by a new one($10) and plug it in. you are ready to go just that easy and fast.

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