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Forum topic by Holbs posted 04-11-2014 03:23 AM 565 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Holbs

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04-11-2014 03:23 AM

It came time in my wood working journey to add a remote start for my dust collector. Having a 3HP 18amp grizzly , from other internet searches it seems the Longer Ranger III should suffice even tho it says only for 2 1/2 max HP. I’ll run with it and see what happens.
I received it from amazon. I go to plug it in. The male outlet plug from the module fits easily into my 220v wall outlet with the correct blade configuration. BUT… the female outlet on the module itself that you plug your dust collector into is DIFFERENT from my dust collector plug and DIFFERENT from the module outlet plug itself. I found that odd… a different blade configuration (one horizontal, one vertical, ground vs 2 horizontal , one vertical ground) for the module: where it plugs into the wall, and where you plug in your dust collector.
Dang it.. gotta reconfigure my dust collector prongs this weekend and then do a new LJ’s review.


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#1 posted 04-11-2014 03:30 AM

Did you take pictures of these plugs?

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#2 posted 04-11-2014 03:34 AM

just of the stuff i pulled out of the box.
the outlet on the Long Ranger III itself receives a 220v plug with a horizontal / horizontal / ground blade.
the 220v cord leaving the Long Ranger III ends on a male plug with a vertical / horizontal / ground blade, which is also identical to my female wall outlet and also identical for the dust collector cord plug.

I just found it odd that they use 2 different configurations. no big deal as i can just convert my 220v plug from my dust collector to match the female plug on the module.

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#3 posted 04-11-2014 03:36 AM

It is odd, makes you wonder where the designers heads were at when the do stuff like that?

-- "Checking for square? What madness is this! The cabinet is square because I will it to be so!" Jeremy Greiner LJ Topic#20953 2011 Feb 2

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#4 posted 04-11-2014 03:47 AM

My 110-volt, 20-amp version blew within 20 minutes on my harbor freight DC. I contacted PSI CS and since Harbor Freight lists their 110volt DC as 2HP they told me to basically piss off.

I was running my DC on a dedicated 20amp breaker. Since the HF DC is “listed” as a 2hp which it’s not they couldn’t give me the time of day.

Amazon saved the day when I put a ticket in to them.

Paul

edit: they list the 110v version as a 1.5hp version which is why my HF 2hp wasn’t supported.

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mantwi

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#5 posted 04-11-2014 04:23 AM

The vertical, horizontal, ground plugs come in left and right configurations. I’ve run into this issue before and it cost me a return trip to the borg to get the right one so draw a pattern to reference when making your selection.

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#6 posted 04-11-2014 08:19 PM

Looks like the male plug is a 6-20, rated at 20amps. The outlet is a 6-15’ rated at 15 amps. This really does not make any sense as you have to use a 20amp circuit but only get to plug in a 15 amp load. Only reason I can remotely dream of doing this, is because the electronic components or the relay is marginally rated and can’t handle a full 20 amps .

Here is the short form NEMA table. http://www.powerstream.com/NEMA-plug-reference.htm

BRuce

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#7 posted 04-12-2014 12:48 AM

you are right, Bruce. I bought a 15amp 220v male plug today which is 2 horizontals + neutral. I took a gander at the 20amp 220v male plug and it is 1 horizontal and 1 vertical + neutral. Hmph.. didnt know there was a prong configuration difference between a 15amp and 20amp 220v.
All my outlets and wiring in my garage for 220v was set for 20amp, not 15amp.
This gets me…concerned. I have a 3HP 18amp 220v grizzly dust collector. If the Long Ranger III runs max at 15amp, and if i have to install a 15amp male plug for a 18amp machine… hmm…
I know running 15amp vs 20amp for 110v is no big deal. Unsure about the 220v version.

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Hybridwoodworker

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#8 posted 04-12-2014 01:37 AM

My concern is with the vendor and why they artery ingot restrict the output to 15 amps. I would not change the plug on the DC, if you were to plug it into a 15 amp circuit, it would trip the breaker on the startup current.

BRuce

-- Life is hard, it is harder if you are stupid.

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#9 posted 04-12-2014 06:34 PM

The plugs won’t be the weak link. The reason for the plugs being different are that the wire size may be different. if you have 20 amp plugs then the wire size should be #12. If it is a 15 amp plug, there may be #14 wire in the wall. That is the reason for the plug difference. 110 should be the same, but a 15amp plug on a #12 wire is ok, just not the opposite.

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#10 posted 04-13-2014 04:03 AM

converted my 20amp 220v prong configuration to a 15amp 220 prong configuration on my dust collector, so that it would fit the 15amp receptacle on the module. did not run it for hours, but couple minutes. so far, it works. time will tell.

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scoobydooo9r

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#11 posted 04-13-2014 05:40 AM

I love my remote start, it’s like room service for woodworking!!! Glad you got yours hooked up, I sympathize with the plug thing… I think I had to change all of my 220V machines when I moved into my new shop!

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#12 posted 04-13-2014 02:35 PM

Ok, the plug is different for a very good reason. The two vert blades indicate 15A is the highest rating that plug should be subjected to. The one horizontal blade indicates it’s a 20A rated plug and should have 12awg min wiring in the cable. The plug/receptacle/wiring/breaker should all match in ratings. The remote is rated for 20A. Since your DC and I’m assuming the circuit match, then it won’t hurt changing it since the LR can take a higher load than your DC, except, in the future if someone looks at that circuit recepticle they may think that it can take 20A. If it were the other way around it would be a no-no. Pulling 20A from a 15A rated circuit is recipe for fire. I would suggest you label your outlet’s with voltage and Amp ratings just so they don’t get confused. Good luck and enjoy the remote.

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