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04-06-2014 04:57 AM

Topic tags/keywords: box twisted

Seen lots of cool work on the impossible dovetail or double twisted dovetail, but this was in FWW back in 2012 I think.
I can see how to cut a board with a twist in it… e.g. start with 8/4 and make a twisted half inch thick board, but not how to cut the joinery. Suspect it is one of those things that if you saw it all apart, it would be a slap to the forehead at how clever it is… but late on Saturday…. I am not feeling that clever.

Any thoughts on cutting dovetails like this?

The original maker is Dennis Mullen and it was posted in the reader submission gallery.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison


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#1 posted 04-06-2014 02:58 PM

Easy. Just cut away everything that doesn’t … :)

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#2 posted 04-06-2014 03:01 PM

It would take a very strong man to twist a box like that.

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#3 posted 04-06-2014 04:07 PM

I think you have to cut the joints the usual way then twist the object in a photo manipulation program. I did the same thing with Janet Reno.

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#4 posted 04-06-2014 04:13 PM

I have seen a couple of projects that had weird dovetails, try googleing angled dovetails and compound
dovetails if you want information.

-- As ever, Gus-the 75 yr young apprentice carpenter

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#5 posted 04-06-2014 04:54 PM

Nomercadies – - not seeing any change in ol Janet :-)

Gus – everything I google about twisted boxes etc, comes up with the dovetail joint… or box braids for hair.

only on pic I have found of this box, and nothing about the maker

only one other that was a twisted plywood box, but not interesting joinery,. and is more obvious that you are just stacking plywood squares with a twist, then smoothing the surface.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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#6 posted 04-06-2014 05:10 PM

Dave, you can have Google look for similar images and see what Google finds.
Sometimes it works very well and other times you get some really ridiculous results!

I have done this on my PC but not on my tablet where I am right now or I would try it.

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#7 posted 04-06-2014 07:05 PM

I can’t say for certain but I think that you make a square box from thick stock then sculpt in the twist afterwards. With out seeing the inside it is hard to tell.

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#8 posted 04-06-2014 07:28 PM

Had trouble understanding pictures posted so went to google images there are several articles & pictures of different styles.

http://adrianmakes.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/twisted-dovetail-box/

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#9 posted 04-06-2014 08:10 PM

It would take a very strong man to twist a box like that.

But a woman could do it with ease.In my book anyway .More womapower is what saves the day for us weak men mortals . Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#10 posted 04-06-2014 08:19 PM

DrDirt: Frank Gehry Left Twist Cube – Design Within Reach – $250

Looks like you found a right twist.

http://www.dwr.com/product/frank-gehry-left-twist-cube.do?sortby=ourPicks

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#11 posted 04-06-2014 11:58 PM

+1 for Bondo’s suggestion.

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#12 posted 04-07-2014 01:03 AM

My initial thinking is why would you want to make a box looking like that?

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#13 posted 04-07-2014 02:07 AM

Yep wildwood – - your find is what I was coming up with, which is still a perfectly square box… but the dovetails themselves are complex and seem impossible.

Those are called “double twisted dovetails”

mrjinx…..It fascinates me because I cannot figure it out…. YET!

Bondo and others… I don’t think it is sculpted after the fact, based on the Uniform thickness of the wood in the dovetails.
The through dovetails are an even 1/2 inc thick stock… just curved.
If you sculpted it after making the square box, the ends would have a taper from top to bottom.

John – I saw the twist done as off center turning and by sculpting a solid piece, but the interior part of shaping is a challenge. as is the joinery.

Gonna have to play with it… The good news is I have some wood that is twisted to begin with :-)

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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#14 posted 04-07-2014 03:52 PM

Some of my boxes have the “twisted look” ..... unintentionally!

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#15 posted 04-07-2014 04:03 PM

The good news is I have some wood that is twisted to begin with :-)

Wise man once say, “Can work with twisted wood, worry about twisted mind.”

Not implying anything, just saying. ;-)

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