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Forum topic by Iwud4u posted 04-02-2014 02:43 PM 682 views 0 times favorited 26 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Iwud4u

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04-02-2014 02:43 PM

I never see anyone giving any constructive criticism on any projects.

Why?
I see crappy stuff from time to time (myself included, I’m not perfect) but nobody ever says anything to help.
All I ever see is that’s nice.
Is it offensive to say that’s nice “But” I would have… You could have… I can see “blank” what happened here? maybe this will help for next time?

-- It's far better to be criticized by a wise person than applauded by a fool --


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RockyTopScott

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#1 posted 04-02-2014 02:46 PM

Generally speaking, unless someone is requesting that type of input, most of us are reluctant to do so.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#2 posted 04-02-2014 02:49 PM

I think it’s a result of the attitude, “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.” I have seen projects where people specifically ask for constructive criticism, in which case people are happy to give it. I guess that the vast majority of folks here just err on the side of politeness.

-- Brian Timmons - http://www.BigTWoodworks.com

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lateralus819

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#3 posted 04-02-2014 02:49 PM

Do you walk down the street and tell someone they’re ugly, or they if they just fixed their nose they’d look great? Not so easy to to do.

-- Never confuse mistakes with failure. Kevin

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Iwud4u

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#4 posted 04-02-2014 02:50 PM

I was a little rough on Russell’s bench the other day, for which I apologize, but the truth of the matter is the next time he does what he did he will think twice and in the long run it will have bettered him, ( I think)

If nobody recognizes when or where they may have been doing something wrong how can they better themselves.
I just think it shouldn’t be such “Taboo” to comment in that respect.

-- It's far better to be criticized by a wise person than applauded by a fool --

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redSLED

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#5 posted 04-02-2014 03:07 PM

Some forum basics re. criticism below, for which your concern confuses me.

The general spirit is to be helpful and constructive. Added humour is a plus for all readers. Uncalled-for negative comments inevitably backlash and will unfortunately label you a ‘hater’ in some people’s minds. If a poster wants unabashed honest criticism, they should request it with ‘hey guys/gals, give me your honest opinions / all comments welcome . . .” (which seasoned posters usually do), and they shouldn’t be offended with what they get. Conversely, the smartest posters are usually very good at asking for very specific advice when wanted. That is how I see it played out most of the time among reasonably-behaved members on decent forums – like this one.

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.

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freddy1962

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#6 posted 04-02-2014 03:09 PM

That’s funny…then their will be 5 threads within a week with people fighting about constructive criticism.

-- JEFF Illinois (Banks of the Mississippi)

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Iwud4u

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#7 posted 04-02-2014 03:17 PM

So proper edicate is don’t say anything unless asked for.
Got it.

-- It's far better to be criticized by a wise person than applauded by a fool --

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#8 posted 04-02-2014 03:20 PM

I believe I do try and point out problems on the projects and try and do it as a help to the person that’s posting a project.Sometimes I’ll PM them too. Many times the suggestions I give are based on mistakes I’ve made in the past or mistakes by some of my students. Most of the time I get responses like thank you for your help I didn’t know that. I have received some constructive help sent my way too.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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woodchuckerNJ

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#9 posted 04-02-2014 03:33 PM

I have given advice, often ignored. Many take it the wrong way or the people who disagree will come and say no that works. I saw a guy make a air cleaner, using just normal glass filter. I tried explaining that this would do more damage to his lungs but everyone followed in that it was fine and a good design.

When you have people that are not knowledgeable supporting a bad design, or poorly done thing, it is tough to get the message through.

Also a lot of people take it the wrong way.. I have lowered the number of comments because this.
How about someone building a table and the screws are all over the place.. I just held my tongue.. Wish there was a like / dislike feature.

-- Jeff NJ

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Paul Maurer

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#10 posted 04-02-2014 03:47 PM

Praise in public, criticize in private.
I think it wise.

-- Psalm 62: 11 Once God has spoken; twice have I heard this: that power belongs to God, 12 and steadfast love belongs to you, O Lord. For you repay to all according to their work

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#11 posted 04-02-2014 03:51 PM

Sorry Jeff but I disagree ,I don’t like the like/dislike button idea ,to me that’s not enough information, I think I would tend to feel more like I’m being picked on if someone left a dislike without an explanation of what they didn’t like and to a degree the same is true with the ” Like” statement,is someone to lazy to say what they think,what did they like.
As an example what if we had a dislike button now and I posted a dislike on your post ? I see the kind of thing you talk about all the time people like Charles Neil (an experts expert) giving advice and someone who has six months worth of experience leading a pack of people saying the opposite of what Charles has said, Even though this happens it’s not a reason to stop giving advice because most post have a lot more views than comments so folks that are not commenting my learn from your advice.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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woodchuckerNJ

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#12 posted 04-02-2014 04:24 PM

TooliganGalloot: I would agree with that, BUT this should be a learning experience for the less experienced and even the masters can learn. Also the person posting this may be wrong. So it’s good to be out in the open. The danger is the people lacking any knowledge throwing out stuff.

Jim, I agree it’s lazy, but hopefully the person would then ask WHY? and that would be the opportunity to explain, rather than everyone just firing off.

Even the experienced can sometimes learn from others.. but I really find it hard to control myself when someone throws out the worst possible advice as sage advice.

-- Jeff NJ

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Iwud4u

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#13 posted 04-02-2014 04:41 PM

Maybe a check box should be made available that would appear with the project when posting a project. It could be checked whether you want constructive criticism or not . It would be easier for the poster to just check the box instead of asking. No criticism would be the default, check the box FOR constructive criticism??

-- It's far better to be criticized by a wise person than applauded by a fool --

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CharlieM1958

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#14 posted 04-02-2014 04:41 PM

People are people. Some welcome constructive criticism, others… not so much. For that reason, this topic has been hashed out many times in the forums, and the consensus seems to be that those who want constructive criticism should ask for it.

I posted some pretty bad projects here when I was first getting started in woodworking, even though I may have been proud of them at the time. I appreciated the words of encouragement I got from more experienced guys, so I try to pass that on to others.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#15 posted 04-02-2014 05:27 PM

Ever hear of Kentucky windage? I think mostly people are aware of their project caliber by such things as the words, number of words, and number of comments. They then compare commentors words to other crafters projects and get a pretty realistic idea of where they stand.

Like Ebay ratings; seller 1…AAAAAA+ seller 2…AAAAAA+ seller 3…AAA

Seller 3; Oh crap, I suck!!

This is mostly true I think but there are quite a few that get by without getting proper acknowledge. Sometimes a beginner with a crude project but shows potential, and this person may get NO encouragement and give it up. Also some other nice projects get almost no recognition, one being intarsia and some furniture pieces.

There is also the popularity of members that MUST be figured in to the Kentucky windage concept.

-- Dan P.

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