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Forum topic by padawan posted 04-01-2014 12:51 PM 721 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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padawan

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04-01-2014 12:51 PM

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I think I may have found my new used tablesaw assuming everything checks out. The table top appears to be in good condition. The saw can be ran upon inspection and assuming the arbor runout is satisfactory and the tabletop is flat it should be easily refurbished (really not much to it, appears to be in excellent condition). The saw is less than an hour away. My only question is if the asking price is a little high ($1200)? Should I try and get him down to around $1000? Still waiting to hear back from the owner of a PM66 who wants $1100 (3hrs away w/ no pictures). The only advantage I can see to the Delta Unisaw is I could add an aftermarket riving knife (BORK). What are your thoughts.
http://hartford.craigslist.org/tls/4366743636.html


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bigblockyeti

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#1 posted 04-01-2014 01:03 PM

You could try to get him down, but a not too old unisaw in that kind of shape really should sell quickly for the asking price. I do have a preference for the unisaw due in no small part to the fact I own one. The older quality Powermatic machinery is why some of the newer lower quality machines are being marketed at prices that don’t fit what’s currently being produced. Either should serve you well, but the proximity and picture availability of the Delta sounds safer to me.

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#2 posted 04-01-2014 03:43 PM

For $100 more shipped, you get a reliable, brand new saw with a riving knife and warranty.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#3 posted 04-01-2014 03:49 PM

I’d jump all over that, new Unisaws start at $3,400 shipped

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Jeff Heath

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#4 posted 04-01-2014 04:00 PM

Since you’re asking…....

An older American made Powermatic 66 or an older American made Unisaw can be had for $200 to $500 all over the country. With a just a litte bit of work, bearings, etc….you can have a top of the line cabinet saw that is much better quality than any of the asian made saws today.

I am saying this only because there is a HUGE difference in quality between an older PM 66 (or even a Unisaw) from the 80’s or older and anything buyable new today. The trunnions are way heavier, and the machining is of a much higher grade, i.e…..fit and finish.

Here’s a PM 66 from 1985 I paid $350 for.

With a brand new Biesemeyer fence, new bearings in the motor and arbor, new belts, and paint, I’ve got a total of $900 invested and a little of time. The cast iron top is dead flat, and the arbor has no runout at all.

My experience with asian made Unisaws and PM 66’s has not been as rewarding.

-- Jeff Heath Heath Toolworks planes

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#5 posted 04-01-2014 04:41 PM

It can’t hurt to ask what he’d take, but $1200 looks like a decent enough deal. It doesn’t have to be gloat-worthy to be a good saw for you.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#6 posted 04-01-2014 05:29 PM

If it’s a homeowner owned saw with light use that could be a big plus, it seems a lot of the used machines out there are ex-auction items from who knows where with who knows what history or condition. I’m also looking for just a used machine, and if this was in my neck of the woods, I’d probably steal it from you! I wish I had your options, nothing down here in SC other than overpriced tabletops; good luck with it.

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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padawan

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#7 posted 04-01-2014 05:35 PM

Thanks for the replies everyone. Nitewalker I considered Grizzly for a table saw for awhile and it seems people on LJ really like their saws. A couple of things I don’t like are the miter slots (not a true T miter slot from what I’ve read) and also knowing how reliable this thing will be in 10+ yrs. I feel an older Delta/powermatic would offer greater reliability.

Jeff that is a great restore on your Powermatic. I know I possess the skill set (aside from welding if needed) to restore a saw such as yours. The issue I have is finding one within a 4 hr drive. Is there another resource to use besides CL? Also is there a specific year or way to tell when Powermatic/Delta switched to a lighter grade of material for construction?

I know used brands (jet/powermatic/delta) as compared to new brand (primarily Grizzly) is a pretty contentious topic so I’m certainly not trying to kick the hornets nest here.

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ras61

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#8 posted 04-01-2014 05:52 PM

Two auction sites for used items are www.govdeals.com and www.irsauction.com . You could also try EBay, I think I recently saw a couple near CT. You can also do an EBay advanced search to see what people are actually paying and not just asking. That saw looks really clean, I’d offer whatever you are comfortable with and see what happens.

-- "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum" - James L. Petigru, 1860

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Newbiewoodworker43

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#9 posted 04-01-2014 06:07 PM

Hey Padawan,

How about
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/tls/4383403272.html

or have you tried looking at the BOYD forum on Old Wood Working Machines (http://www.owwm.org/index.php).

In that forum you can search for a unisaw or put a WTB – Want To Buy, listing and members can contact you. They might need restoration or they might be fully restored.

-- ---Howard, Amesbury MA

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#10 posted 04-01-2014 06:12 PM

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#11 posted 04-01-2014 06:20 PM

Thanks Newbie but not looking to add a phase inverter to the list of saw expenses, nor do I have the space for the last one you posted. The 1st listing is a 2HP motor, I would prefer a 3HP and I feel the proximity, beefier motor, and minimal restoration justifies the extra few hundred.

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#12 posted 04-01-2014 06:23 PM

Thanks ras61, going to see the saw Thursday after work. The next fun part will be getting it down into my basement through the hatch. Nothing a couple of 2×6 and tow strap (with help from friends) can’t handle.

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#13 posted 04-01-2014 06:31 PM

Sure thing. Good luck with the “new” old saw. would love to see the before/after pictures.

-- ---Howard, Amesbury MA

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#14 posted 04-01-2014 08:57 PM

”A couple of things I don’t like are the miter slots (not a true T miter slot from what I’ve read)”...

I haven’t read of any issues with miter slots on Grizzly saws.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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padawan

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#15 posted 04-01-2014 11:57 PM

So this guy with the Powermatic just got back to me. He said that the fence rail may need to be replaced because of a flat spot and that he would take $750. He said it runs great he bought it at auction in 96. and has used it less than 100 times. Aside from not being able to add an aftermarket riving knife (that I’m aware of) like the Delta I would say most people would consider this saw superior to the Delta Unisaw. What is everyone’s thoughts?

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