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Forum topic by ogremom posted 03-31-2014 03:06 AM 671 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ogremom

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03-31-2014 03:06 AM

Hi! I’m looking for any information on antique wood drill brace. I have an old drill that has some markings, but they are hard to read. What I can read is BRAT’S PAT’S on the left side of a Shield with a name that starts with a B and ends with S. Within the shield, under this name, it has B B in the middle and below that “BRACES”. To the right of the shield it has two dates, one on top of the other, like in BRAT’s PAT”S. Top DEC 25,88 and below JAN 8, 89. So I’m thinking there are two Patent dates. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!


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#1 posted 03-31-2014 03:24 AM

Photos – we need photos!

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#2 posted 03-31-2014 03:39 AM

Hi again! Hopefully these are helpful. Is there something in particular that will give us an idea who made this? Let me know and I can take better pictures. Thanks!!!

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#3 posted 03-31-2014 03:41 AM

Ok, sorry…I will get the hang of this, one of these decades!!!!!

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#4 posted 03-31-2014 03:42 AM

Yeah, better resize the images. 640 is the widest you can post and still see the entire thing.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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#5 posted 03-31-2014 04:01 AM

Here, let’s try these!! Almost drove right off that curve!

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#6 posted 03-31-2014 04:06 AM

Try this page. There are several sites with brace patent information.

http://www.sydnassloot.com/brace.htm#index

The short sweep is really nice. Is it a 6”?

To me it looks like a fray brace. Based on the chuck and the handle….

http://www.sydnassloot.com/Brace/Fray2.htm

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#7 posted 03-31-2014 04:07 AM

Looks like a Fray brace

is it possible that is the word you’re seeing as BRAT?

have a look here

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#8 posted 03-31-2014 04:08 AM

This is the other site I was thinking of….

http://www.georgesbasement.com/braces/braces.htm

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#9 posted 03-31-2014 04:40 AM

Ok! Wow, so this actual says BD for maybe B&D-51. The picture of the Fray brace looks exactly the same , including the pewter rings on the handle. Does BRAT”S have something to do with the first date DEC 25, 88 and is PAT’S short for Patent date JAN 8, 89..meaning 1889? How do you measure the sweep? Thanks!

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#10 posted 03-31-2014 02:40 PM

To measure sweep

from an imaginary line drawn through center of top pad and extending through center of chuck—measure distance from this line to center line of handle. The sweep is twice this measurement.

In other words, it is the diameter of the circle described by the center line of the lower handle if the brace is rotated 360 degrees.

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#11 posted 03-31-2014 03:30 PM

Will add that a Brace’s throw is 1/2 it’s sweep. E.g. a 10” sweep brace has a 5” throw.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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ogremom

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#12 posted 04-01-2014 06:01 AM

OK, got it. The sweep IS 6” with a throw of 3”. Thank you so very much all. I really learned alot about this old piece. I still remember my Dad using these types of drills before the advent of the electric hand drill. Pretty cool!

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#13 posted 04-11-2014 11:55 PM

It appears this poster just wanted to pick our collective brains so that she could advertise it on that auction site.

At least one of the pictures posted there was the same picture she (he?) posted above when asked for photos.

Uncool !
My advice is free to fellow tool collectors and enthusiasts, not to those who want me to do their research so that they might profit from it.

here is the auction site item number: 291118078780

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#14 posted 07-28-2014 05:26 AM

Doc and Wayne, thank you for the info and links here.

-- God bless, Candy

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