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Forum topic by manta posted 01-08-2009 04:42 AM 1547 views 0 times favorited 26 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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manta

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01-08-2009 04:42 AM

don’t know if anyone knows about this but it was on a website that I go to alot…
I guess if you make toys for anyone you might want to know about this, I am not sure about it because there is nothing on snopes. but looks legit… hope this helps…

http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/
Chris

and yes I am a lurker because, I do what my grandfather would tell me to… two ears ( eyes in this case ) and one mouth means you listen twice as much as you talk… HA! thanks for all the tips


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kiwi1969

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#1 posted 01-08-2009 02:08 PM

shame small minded politicians have to screw it up for everyone

-- if the hand is not working it is not a pure hand

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Peter Oxley

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#2 posted 01-08-2009 03:46 PM

What were the campaign promises? Something about encouraging small businesses?

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Gene Howe

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#3 posted 01-08-2009 04:02 PM

Promises, vows, idle chatter, irrelevant statements….all the same to politicians.
If you read the law, you’ll see that it not only applies to toys but, anything a child can contact. Flooring , cabinets, tables…etc.
I’ll still make toys and sell a few.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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coloradobob

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#4 posted 01-08-2009 04:41 PM

I have read about this law before and I think that it a load of #&%@. Most of but not all large Companys had to move over seas just to get that cheep laber and no safty standards now it is coming back to bite all of us in the #@&. Just my 2 cents. I do made little kid toys so do I continue to made and brake the law or just close up shop? coloradobob

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#5 posted 01-08-2009 05:09 PM

I also make a lot of toys and other items for children. There is actually a 25 page report on what dimensions a baby rattle should be to make it safe. Unbelievable. One work of advice if you are making toys or any item for sale to the public – get good insurance. Talk to your insurance agent and find out what a separate policy to protect yourself would cost. Flood your elected officials with emails letting them know what you think. The woodworking community is large and has a very loud voice.

-- Those that say it can't be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.

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#6 posted 01-08-2009 05:12 PM

It’s even worse here in Canada. I keep hearing where plans are afoot to make yard sales and flea markets illegal. This is because of ‘trafficking’ in unsafe toys, car seats and cribs which may have been the subject of a recall, perhaps subsequent to the seller’s purchase of the item new. That any government would assume absolute control over an entire industry is frightening.
Thanks for posting the link!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#7 posted 01-08-2009 05:27 PM

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#8 posted 01-08-2009 05:31 PM

I voted…THANKS!

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John Ormsby

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#9 posted 01-08-2009 05:42 PM

This is just another in a long line of laws. rules, and regulations to turn us into a third world nation. The only way to do this is to beat us into submission through these things rather than through violent means. This is nothing new. . I am not surprised at all that this is occurring. Wait til you see the new government mandated (dictated) food laws they are going to invent. Welcome to the new and improved socialism and communism. Better get used to it because it is here to stay. The Messiah and his friends will make sure of that.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#10 posted 01-08-2009 05:49 PM

I don’t know how this would differ if you were running any other bussiness that makes and sells a product, there are guidelines and you need to cover your backside with liability insurance. So whats the big hype ? It’s just the way it is. I was a meat cutter for 17 years and almost all of those years I worked in places that were Federally inspected. Sure, I had some gripes with the inspectors from time to time, but the fact is, those guys are there to protect the public, and the bussiness owner from themselves. For instance, there was a post in this website just recently about a woodworker that got sick from an exotic wood, lets say a woodworker thats uneducated on exotic woods makes a toy from it.

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#11 posted 01-08-2009 06:12 PM

...don’t get me started….

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#12 posted 01-08-2009 06:32 PM

Woodchuck – I see your point, but I’m not sure you realize the requirements of this law. Each model of each toy must be tested and permanently stamped with a batch number and date of manufacture. If you are handmaking toys or making custom or one-off toys, each one is different and probably has variations in the manufacturing process, therefore each one is a different “model”. So each toy you make has to be tested to the tune of $4k each. I’d be happy to have a regular inspection of my shop by a product safety examiner. He could see that I’m using wood that hasn’t been treated with anything bizzare and that I’m using glues and finishes that are child-safe when cured. As a meat cutter, you probably did custom cutting? Imagine if every job had to be sent out for a $4k test.

And the bloodwood product that you mentioned is safe for the end user, who doesn’t come in contact with the dust and fines … the microscopic particles that cause an allergic reaction.

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Waldschrat

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#13 posted 01-08-2009 06:42 PM

I agree with woodchuck and everything to protect people from lead and the like but…

from what I read on the web page and understand is that each batch or small serial run must be tested for a cost of 4k (which is alot).... so a person could probably still get away with producing small production test one of the production units being built and still pass the standard…. its just gets really expensive when one builds a custom, one of a kind, sort of toy. and does this just apply to wooden objects for childern or all together small things out of wood, not to matter if they were intended for childern or not.

I do agree with the business crisis and all this is overall not to good for those who live off of small or custom wood production. especially if the testing is so expensive.

so writing a letter will change the mind of the people who made this law? I did not even know that they even sell products that have lead in them anymore (like asbestos)

-- Nicholas, Cabinet/Furniture Maker, Blue Hill, Maine

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Woodchuck1957

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#14 posted 01-08-2009 07:09 PM

I think makeing just one toy at a time would have to change. Just the cost of makeing a product that way isn’t very cost efficient. I know it’s tough for the small guy, I’m one also, and I can’t afford expensive highly automated machines, such as CNC machines, or laser engravers. etc. either. And with this cut throat unfair trade practice this country has gotten itself into I’m not so sure I’d want to. I guess if I knew the answer, I’d be doing it.

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John Ormsby

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#15 posted 01-08-2009 07:17 PM

To Woodchuck, Imagine how many steaks one wood buy if each cut (because, after all, no cut of meat would ever be the same as the other) would have to be tested. Also, each head of beef would need to be documented from birth so as to know exactly what it type of feed, hormones, conditions, etc. were used to know how it was raised. Say the cost for the test is averaging $100 and each cut weighs 4 lbs. I don’t think the average consumer would pay or could afford to pay an extra $25 per lb for that meat. This means that whole portions of the cattle industry would eventually be put out of business. Only the very large CORPORATE farms and meat processing centers would be left. That is what has happened to the wood manufacturing industry in the once great USA. Protect the consumer? More like expand the lawsuits. This does not make much sense for the survival of democracy. It is supposed to be , of the people, by the people, for the people. Not, of the government & corporations, by the government & corporations, and for the government & corporations. Welcome to the new and improved Feudal system of the World. Our world is now ruled and based on injecting FEAR into everything. I have for many years referred this syndrome to the Lost in Space robot ( warning danger, danger, danger!!! ) Maybe the new Messiah ( mr. O ) will save us.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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