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Pabs

175 posts in 1954 days


1926 days ago

hey all

simple question

how long can or should you make a tenon.? the piece it’s going into is 2 inches wide. 3/4” stock
is there a rule of thumb for tenon length?

thanks

-- Pabs


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pommy

1697 posts in 2191 days


#1 posted 1926 days ago

simple do you want to see the tenon if so make it the thickness of your stock and if you dont want to see the tenon i normally go to half thickness of my stock but it really is up to you so good luck

andy

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juniorjock

1930 posts in 2265 days


#2 posted 1926 days ago

Pabs, if you’ll PM me your email address, I’ll send you a chart. If you don’t want the chart, what I see is max width of mortise = 3/8”, ideal tennon length = 1”....... That’s if I’m understanding you right.
-JJ

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kolwdwrkr

2821 posts in 2090 days


#3 posted 1926 days ago

juniorjock, I want the chart. Don’t be stingy with that thing. LOL

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TimberMan

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#4 posted 1926 days ago

I would like to see it as well. Can you just attach it as an image to the post?

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Rob

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#5 posted 1926 days ago

I would think the longer the tenon the better joint you would have due to the increased glueing surface. Some tenons go right through the stock and I would imagine they are the strongest. That said, I don’t think it is necessary to make one as long as possible. Just long enough to get a good glue up for whatever the need is; and I’m sure the chart mentioned above will fill in those details. If I’m remembering correctly the rule of thumb is to make the tenon 4-5 times it’s thickness in length.

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Pabs

175 posts in 1954 days


#6 posted 1926 days ago

hey JJ..

sent you an email for that chart…

I think you’re right ROb…can’t really make it too long…too short on the other hand..that’s when you would run into problems. I’ll go a good inch into the stock…maybe even an 1.5”

thinking about making a haunch tenon as well, from what I read it makes a stronger joint…never tried one before..

oh…by the way…these tenons are for a cabinet door frame… making 4 doors…2 of them will have plywood panels with 2 inch stock going all around and the other 2 will have a frosted glass panels (it’s for a bathroom cabinet I built)

-- Pabs

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JuniorJoiner

443 posts in 1940 days


#7 posted 1926 days ago

i think there are too many variables for any one rule, what is the wood type, is the joint in tension or shear, will it be glued, pinned or wedged?
when it comes to panel doors. i usually do 1/3 of the thickness of the stock, 3/4 of it’s width, and the complete length of the rail the stile is attaching to.(so a through tenon,1/4 inch thick, 1 1/2inches wide, and 2 inches long)
when the pressure on the joint is in shear. longer and wider are always better.tension stress is different because the joint and the wood are usually stronger than the pressure the mortise piece could take.

but really, unless you have a toddler that is going to be swinging on these doors regularly, the choice is really convenience, or aesthetic.

-- Junior -Quality is never an accident-it is the reward for the effort involved.

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juniorjock

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#8 posted 1926 days ago

I agree with JuniorJoiner that there are too many variables for one rule when using mortise and tenon. But I use this joint as a starting point and then make my own decisions. I’m going to try to load the file here. If it doesn’t work, anyone who wants it can PM me their email address, and I’ll send it to you.
-JJmortise & tenon chart

Update: Looks like the image turns out too small to read. It may be where Zoomer decreases the file size. Not sure. Just PM me if you want the chart and I’ll try my best to get it to you in a PDF format.

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juniorjock

1930 posts in 2265 days


#9 posted 1926 days ago

I’ll keep trying. This one is a little better.
-JJ

M & T chart

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Pabs

175 posts in 1954 days


#10 posted 1924 days ago

awesome….thanks for the chart JJ

-- Pabs

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juniorjock

1930 posts in 2265 days


#11 posted 1924 days ago

You are welcome, Pabs.
-JJ

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