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Forum topic by henryj383 posted 01-07-2009 06:34 AM 1642 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-07-2009 06:34 AM

thanks for looking saw sold!


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#1 posted 01-07-2009 06:41 AM

You must be related to Tim the Toolman. “More Power” The former teacher where I work had a 10” 3hp and a 12” 5hp. He used the 10” for 99% of all work. He only go the 5hp because it was a good deal at an auction. I would say go powermatic and get the 3hp. However I have had good luck also with Grizzly. In fact I own the same jointer, and school has the same extreme duty planer that we make work for it’s living. Good luck on your decision.

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#2 posted 01-07-2009 07:00 AM

I agree with tooldad. I used to have a 5 hp powermatic and it was great. However, a 3 hp saw will handle most cutting. I now have a true 9’ professional slider with a 7 1/2 hp motor. Do I need that much hp? NO. It came with it and that’s ok. I will eventually get another cabinet saw and it will probably be a 10” 3 hp model. Their are certain types of cuts that are faster on a regular cabinet saw. The Grizzly model GO623 slider slider system looks fairly weak. You might be better gettinf the 3 hp saw and putting on an Excalibur slider if you want. It also depends on what your particular woodworking needs truly are. Good Luck on your purchase.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#3 posted 01-07-2009 07:21 AM

And to think I have used my Shopsmith 1 1/8 hp unit to build a house full of furniture and it was under powered all this time. Wish I had been told 20 years ago LOL!!!

Nothing wrong getting what you want but unless you are cutting 2”+ all day, every day. 5hp is just over kill. IMHO.

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#4 posted 01-07-2009 07:26 AM

I agree with both of you guys sometimes more power is better, if you get some lumber that has not been dried correctly you never know what it is going to do, and the 6 and 8 and up quarter stuff is worse and will clamp down on the blade, if you have that extra power some times it will power on through and won’t take your head off. I don’t like the PM 2000, it looks OK or as good as anyother but I just have a felling about it..I use my bandsaw to resaw big stuff that I can buy cheap because it is big, I will never know why I bought the 8”jointer, the last jointer I owned was a SCMI 16” and it made life easy, I was trying to scale down my new shop I guess.
I wish I could go see the Grizzly 623 before I buy it or whatever I buy.

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#5 posted 01-07-2009 08:26 AM

I’ll bet you kick yourself once in awhile for leting loose the wide jointer. Scmi is a great company and makes very good tools.I have the Minimax combo FS41 16” jointer/planer. It also has the mortiser attachment. I might go to separate machines down the road. So far, I have gotten by with the combo. I will probably go for a 16” to 20” jointer if one comes up for sale at the right price and condition. And then get a separate planer. I work with wide boards at times.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#6 posted 01-07-2009 12:47 PM

Daniel, I just Googled “5hp powermatic 66” and got a slew of links to Amazon and Toolking and the like. There’s a bunch of 5hp 66’s out there. Of course you’d have to pay shipping. Another alternative if you don’t mind driving to Columbia is to contact the WoodZone in West Columbia (803)-233-3764. I’m sure Karl can find you one. Another option is to contact Mann Tool which is just down the road from Woodzone, (I don’t have that number handy). The last two options would require SC sales tax of course. Hope this helps.

-- Carl Rast, Pelion, SC

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henryj383

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#7 posted 01-07-2009 04:24 PM

Thanks Carl I had forgotten about Mann Tool and never heard of WoodZoon but will check them out. I found several saws (66 5hp , 1ph) but I am not ready to do the buy thing until about middle of FEB. so its going to be timing I guess…lol who has what, when I have money is more like it…
I think the 66 is going to be what I will end up with if I can find one when I am ready..
Not sure what I will end up doing with the jointer, I think that I would rather have the power and not need it than need the power and not have it.

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#8 posted 01-07-2009 06:53 PM

Go to www.tools-plus.com.They have a Powermatic 66 in stock with a 5HP, 1ph or 3ph with a 50” rip. The 5ph is $2700 and the 3ph is $2800 .Good luck on buying a saw.

God Bless
tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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#9 posted 01-07-2009 11:24 PM

Is more power really better? I realize that there are many different woodworking endeavors, everything from delicate marquetry, to sawing timbers for log homes, but pray tell me…........why 5HP? Are people putting saws this powerful in their garages and basements? A motor of this size is going to use a significant percentage of the average home’s electrical capacity. In fact, at 5HP we are at the threshold of 3 phase 480V usage. I would think that even most professional cabinet maker’s shops wouldn’t need this much power. I hope that we are not giving those new to woodworking, and seeking advice, the impression that this is the kind of saw that they have to have.

-- "Heaven is North of the Bridge"

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#10 posted 01-08-2009 12:02 AM

I have had a Powermatic 3 HP for the last 18 years works great. In 3-inch hard maple it cut a little slowly until I put on a thin kerf Forrest blade. It then worked much better. Never had a situation to need a 5 HP motor. One of my friends cut 3-inch maple for transformer parts 8 hours a day. He was able to cut faster than me. He eventually went with a 7.5 HP 12” Powermatic. But I could not jestufy the 5 HP as such a small amount of me work that I do.

-- Sam, upstate

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#11 posted 01-08-2009 04:20 AM

Samel has had made a great point here, a thin kerf blade will make a significant difference in cutting ease and won’t waste as much material.

-- John, Nor-Cal, shopsmith.net/forums

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#12 posted 01-08-2009 05:17 AM

OK guys I think you have touched on every reason to not buy a 5 hp saw, and I thank you for that I really do. I guess I could make everything in the world with a hand saw but I don’t want to and I don’t have to and my doctor says I should not do…but you made a good point and I thank you for that. And by the way I have been doing wood work for most of the 65 years, I grew up with a grandfather great grandfather that were cabinet maker’s and I am not talking about box makers, but I did ask for a opinion about which name brand of saw I should buy if I couldn’t find a Powermatic 66, 5hp,1ph. I have a 3hp 66 and a little old 1.75hp and I use thin kerf Forrest blades on both of them. I make some outdoor furniture and the wood comes from the saw mill and it may be green and some times its air dried. I would just like to say thanks again, I am different when it come to my tools and I was thinking everyone else is also.

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#13 posted 01-08-2009 03:53 PM

Henry:

I was not trying to question your original posting, but rather to ask a general question somewhat akin to the thought that “why do we need 400HP in our automobiles if the speed limit is 70mph?”.

Like cincinnati above, I have a 1 1/8HP Shopsmith and I have ripped the full 10’ length of a rain soaked pressure treated 2”x10”. Now if I had to to this time after time 8 hours per day I would definitely need more power, but for most of us in smaller home shops a saw designed to operate on a 15 amp 120V circuit will do just fine, especially if we use a thin kerf blade.

-- "Heaven is North of the Bridge"

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pinkiewerewolf

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#14 posted 01-08-2009 07:44 PM

henryj, if the 5hp is the ticket then by all means go for it. Heck, I’d love to have the experience that you’ve gathered over the years. I just didn’t understand the nature of the question, my bad.
When you do find the TS that you’re after I’d like to know what you’re decision is.
Best of luck!
BTW, I’m envious of your resaw and planers.

-- John, Nor-Cal, shopsmith.net/forums

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#15 posted 01-09-2009 04:28 PM

If you allready have a 3hp 66 why don’t you just buy a 5 hp motor ?

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