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Forum topic by athomas5009 posted 03-15-2014 08:12 PM 11310 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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athomas5009

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03-15-2014 08:12 PM

I was wondering if any one knows of adjustments that could be made to make the stock fence for this saw easier to use. The current issues I have are that it has a bow in it. I imagine that could be improved by a hard flat surface being attached to it. The other problem is that it is difficult to get the rear end to lock down securely. Usually it locks half @ssed and the rear in moves during use or if it locks securely the rear end kick out of square an inch.

I know the best answer is to drop 300 on a decent fence but I was just curious if anyone has found some decent solutions to make it work properly.

-- Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on.


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#1 posted 03-15-2014 08:20 PM

They all have a slight bow on the 113s. Could try a caul, and a couple c clamps and pull the bow flat.

I usued to just lock the fence down really tight ( mine had a bolt type, turn the handle until tight) and adjust as need for almost square. I left it a hair wider at the off feed side. No kick back that way.

There are two hex head bolts on top of the fence ( PITA for a slider jig), that IF you clamp the fence down with them just atad loose, adjust for square-ness, and then tighten the bolts back up.

Clip for the back rail might be getting a bit worn? Check it and see if it might also have become bent.

As a quick fix to the fence, replace the stock rails with heavy duty angle iron of a similar size. Install the back rail just a hair LOWER and the clip might work better.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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buildingmonkey

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#2 posted 03-16-2014 01:03 AM

I put up with a cman table saw for 25 years, and when I looked at upgrading to a new fence and a new motor, made more sense to give it away and buy myself a new unisaw. At that time, I could get a new unisaw for 1,000. Know those days are over now, but a new Grizzly 1023 can be bought pretty reasonably.

-- Jim from Kansas

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#3 posted 03-16-2014 03:04 AM

I put up with the stock fence for a few years and finally bought a Muel Cab Accufence. Right now, they are about $290 and mine works great. Lined up with the miter track just fine and stays straight no matter what I slide
through the saw.

-- Steve: Franklin, WI

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#4 posted 03-16-2014 03:48 AM

Is this the saw?

Just wondering. This is mine, and it was bought new. $400 at the time, too. Added a few extra parts over the years, though.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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bbc557ci

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#5 posted 03-16-2014 04:12 AM

I picked up a 113 off Craigslist cheap, needed a new motor. Back to CL and I found a like new 1 hp motor for $40.00, then put on a new link belt. Saw ran/runs super smooth. CL again and I found a Vega fence with a micro adjustment. Not sure what size but the front rail is about 70-72 inches long so guess it would be a Vega 50?? Anyways, before I got a chance to put the Vega fence on I came across a Unisaw. Bought the Uni and never did put the Vega on the the ol’ 113.

As I see it you have two choices, as did I. Put a good fence on your 113, or find another TS. Really not much else you can do. FWIW, the 113 is a good TS with a good fence.

-- Bill, central NY...no where near the "big apple"

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Tork

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#6 posted 03-16-2014 05:14 AM

I’ve had mine for a few months now. Still checking craigslist to see if a better fence comes across, as I don’t like all the measuring I have to do to get the sucker just right. BUT, soon after I got it, I did a complete tear-down of the fence, buffed any rust off that truss-rod, oiled everything that could be oiled, and adjusted the alignment screws, and it does work much better. If you’re not working with the OEM manual, you should seek it out. Most of them are online, and those 113s are so similar that if you can’t find yours, another of the period should work.

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athomas5009

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#7 posted 03-20-2014 11:51 AM

Thanks for the suggestions guys. The other day a spent a couple hours messing with the fence examining the mechanism and how it really worked. While doing so I noticed the white wear roller was partiall damaged. From messing around with it I suspected this roller plays a big role in the locking mechanism. So to test my theory I locked the fence down without the damaged side of the roller contacting the iron table or fence and it locked down rock solid. Then I locked it down so the damaged side of the roller was directly in contact with the iron table and fence. This time the fence only locked down half a$$ed and kicked out like I mentioned before.

So It looks like I need to replace this roller from sears for like $3 bucks. Once that is taken care of it looks like the fence should be tolerable until I’m able to make the upgrade.

-- Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on.

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athomas5009

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#8 posted 03-20-2014 11:58 AM

Bandit1571 – Mine is similar but not the same. The colors on the face plate of mine are a little different and mine has the webbed iron wings.

-- Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on.

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#9 posted 03-20-2014 02:42 PM

Bandit, mine isn’t similar to your saw at all … it is exactly like it.

I don’t plan on getting another saw as long as this one does what I need, so I’ve been watching this thread. Good tips, everyone.

-- Chris ** If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. — Tom Paine **

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#10 posted 03-20-2014 03:35 PM

lightcs1776 – From my experience and from what I have read the older Cman contractors saws are pretty good machines and with a good blade, tune up / alignment and a good fence should be able to perform most tasks a user throws it’s way. I plan on keeping mine for a while too.

I went through mine and cleaned, lubed, aligned and put on a link belt shortly after picking up last fall. Next up is a fence up grade then building a nice cabinet for it with storage, plenty of room to the right and a folding out feed table. Of course this will take a little time and money but I enjoy stuff like that and would rather invest my money in a good planer rather than a better used saw when the one I have is more than adequate for now.

One day Ill splurge on a Delta or Powermatic cabinet saw but that will be way down the road after I have all the other necessities and 3k to burn.

-- Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on.

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#11 posted 03-20-2014 03:45 PM

I’m admittedly thrifty. I may pass my Craftsman TS down to one of my kids when I die. I do plan on a new fence down the road. Like you, I replaced the belt with a link belt. Have you tried the replacement pulleys or alignment kit? I added both and the saw is easier to tune and passes the nickel test. It also cuts very well, although the most I’ve run through it to date is 5/4 maple. I’ve only had the saw about 6 months.

I’d love to see a picture of your saw, especially before and after the clean up. I agree with you, they are solid machines.

-- Chris ** If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. — Tom Paine **

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#12 posted 03-20-2014 04:03 PM

The craftsman 113 is a pretty good saw once you throw out the factory fence and replace it. You can adjust that fence all you want and it won’t stay square with the blade. I replaced the fence on my 113 with a Delta T2 best thing I did. I can actually cut square and no longer have to measure to both end of the miter slot and hope it stays square after tightening the fence down. I spent 20 years fighting that factory fence and was actively looking for a unisaw when I replaced it. The unisaw while I would still like one has moved down the list because the c-man does what I want it to.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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