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Randy13

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03-10-2014 03:23 PM

Hello all,
I am looking at getting one of Grizzly’s 8” jointers (G0490 or G0656) and I can’t decide between parallelogram beds or other. I’ve been doing a lot of research about the differences. My question is, regardless of one being easier to adjust, how often in reality does one even change the infeed table height or even if it is, surely it can’t throw everything out of whack that easily. I can come up with the money for either, I would just rather spend the extra on other goodies.

Thanks


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Elizabeth

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#1 posted 03-10-2014 03:34 PM

I forget which Griz jointer model I got (I want to say 0490) but I got the one with the spiral cutterhead. After initial setup, I’ve yet to move the tables.

Edit – looked up my invoice, it’s the G0490X. Very pleased with it.

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#2 posted 03-10-2014 03:42 PM

I have the 12” spiral head jointer,it’s a great tool.

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#3 posted 03-10-2014 04:20 PM

I have an older Grizzly 220v 8”.

I got it barely used several years ago. I’ve not needed to move the tables since I got it.

Works perfect.

Andy

-- AP--Unless you're the lead dog, the view never changes.

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woodmaker

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#4 posted 03-10-2014 04:28 PM

I have the 8” G0656X (Spiral cutterhead) I can’t complian one bit, except I did want the paralleogram, but they were sold out which is why I purchased the above.

Looks like an aircraft carrier in my garage, but I like it a LOT!

-- Mike

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Mike67

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#5 posted 03-10-2014 04:29 PM

I have the 490 and like it. The infeed table adjustment is very easy and I find myself using it frequently, especially when jointing edges. I’ll take a pass or two at a deeper cut to quickly get things just about straight, then lighten up the cut for the last pass. It really helps with tear out in reversing grain or figured wood. I’ve had it about six years and parallelism of the tables has never been an issue.
There were some issues with the 490 some time back with belts and pulley wheels coming off. I think Grizz has addressed the problem with a wider belt. Also, I find that the cabinet rumbles a little when the machine is running. Either the metal is on the thin side or it could have to do with the removable front panel. It doesn’t change performance.
One other thing to note is the actual width of the tables. On the 490, the table is actually 8 in wide. When you move the fence all the way back, a little bit of it still sits above the tables, covering the last 1/4 inch or so of the cutters. This means you don’t get a full 8 inch wide cut. You can loosen the fence and get it out of the way, so no big deal, but its something to be aware of. Maybe an owner of a 656 can check but I think those tables a slightly wider than 8in so you can get a full cut. It only really matters if your stock is right on 8in.

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#6 posted 03-10-2014 04:36 PM

I think the biggest thing to consider is size. 8” is a great capacity to have.
I have the Delta DJ-20 8” jointer, which is a twin to the Grizzly 490. It has parallelogram bed adjustments, so the beds are easy to adjust. Even more importantly, it has sturdy locking levers so you won’t need to mess with the adjustments. My last jointer was a 6” Jet, and it did need periodic adjustment to correct for sagging dovetail ways.

Pay no attention to the infeed height adjustment wheel vs. lever debate. They both work equally well, and you don’t adjust it very often. I usually just set it for a light cut and make multiple passes.

The 490 in particular has a very long bed, with extra length on the infeed side. This makes it almost effortless to get a straight edge. I think you would be happy with the Grizzly 490 / Delta DJ-20 / Shopfox clone.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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bonesbr549

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#7 posted 03-10-2014 06:00 PM

I have the griz 12” with parallelogram tables with 4 HSS knives. When I bought mine, it was either the 8” with byrd head dovetail style, or a 12” with steel knives and parallel tables. I did all the research and talked to a lot of folks. In the end I took some good advice, get the widest heaviest beast you can afford. I did and don’t regret it. You will adjust your infeed table height more than you think. I do it all the time. It will depend on how much your stock is out to begin with, the wood type and other things. It’s not a set it and forget it. The parallel tables simply means that as you lower the infeed table it stays in the same approximate distance to the cutting head. That’s nice but I don’t know if its a total deal killer but I like it. I’ve been using my HSS for 6+ years now and don’t regret it. I was meaning to upgrade to the byrd head, but just don’t need it IMO. I found the advice given to me was sound.

Get the biggest heaviest, longest infeed/outfeed you can afford. If I had it to do over, though, I’d go find a big old jointer and use that. A nice big yates, or something with 20” capacity that weighs a ton. Yea! Old American Iron would be the best and the only thing I might still do.

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Todd

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#8 posted 03-10-2014 08:55 PM

I have the G0452 6” jointer. Beds were parallel from the factory and I haven’t moved them (they are dovetail ways). Additionally I leave the infeed table at 1/32” and never move it.

-- Todd, Huntsville, AL

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buildingmonkey

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#9 posted 03-11-2014 02:30 AM

I like the parallelogram jointers, have a G0609 Grizzly with the Byrd head, it stays perfectly adjusted. It was exactly right when delivered, just checked it with a straight edge. Had to take one table off when I installed the Byrd, wasn’t hard, put the table back on and it was still adjusted fine. Think the Grizzly helical is just as good as the Byrd, if I were getting a new jointer, would just order the standard helical installed.

-- Jim from Kansas

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#10 posted 03-11-2014 02:59 AM

if you get the 656 you get extra 3/4 inch of jointing, the 490 is exactly 8inch when you read the specs the 656 says 9in wide bed the 490 is a little under 8, but the 490 is easier the get flat you might say both are good jointers, but get the spiral head, but the knives will last a long time also, Ive jointed many bd ft of old white oak and mine still cuts great, with original blades, I had the 1018 first then upgraded to the 490

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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bowedcurly

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#11 posted 03-11-2014 03:02 AM

the 490 has inserts in this area you can replace, as you can see the 1018 had some serious wear issues

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#12 posted 03-11-2014 04:00 AM

This is my .02 on jointers, I am just another LJ, so take this with a grain of salt. I think that easy of adjustment (which results in a better setup experience and thus better accuracy) is absofreakinglutely vital. If your jointer is out of whack and difficult to adjust, which does happen, you’d better have some vacation built up so you can stay home and adjust it for a week. Totally worth the extra money if you can pay it.

-- The Wood Is Your Oyster

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#13 posted 03-11-2014 05:43 AM

I went with the G0490 and installed a Byrd Shelix cutter head, love it.

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Randy13

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#14 posted 03-12-2014 03:14 AM

Thanks everyone for your help. I am thinking I’ll go with the G0490. I a thinking that in the long term it will prove to be a good investment over the dovetailed version. Unfortunately spiral cutters are looking to be out of reach for the moment. I don’t anticipate a lot of heavy usage right away, so I will look into upgrading to that in the future.
Thanks

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