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Forum topic by KnickKnack posted 03-04-2014 12:23 PM 1685 views 0 times favorited 32 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-04-2014 12:23 PM the way that the “Daily Top 3” is determined.

Oh no – not again – I can hear the sighs!


This rather fine piece of work…

Didn’t manage to make it into the top 3.
Quite a few comments, quite a few favourites, but it still didn’t make it.

The basic reason was, I believe (the algorithm is secret), because of this…

Jigs tend to get favourited a lot, and favourites count a lot towards the determination (I think we’ve all sussed that).

Now jigs are obviously an important part of woodworking, but it seems a real shame that they very often “bump” excellent pieces of actual woodworking away from the accolades.

This is just an idea, but perhaps when one gets to that very first screen, the one where it confirms that ”I want to post my finished project that is made from wood” , one could choose between “Project” and “jig”, and we could have a “Daily Top 3” of “Woodwork projects”, and a “Daily Top 3” of jigs (personally a “Weekly Top 10” jigs would work for me).

If one were to do that initial choice at posting time, you could also allow jigs to be posted that aren’t made of wood, should one desire, but are used for woodworking.

This would allow the underlying LJ database to know which are “projects” and which are “jigs”, and you could browse “Projects” and “Jigs” separately – this would also be a step forward in my opinion.
Some thought would have to put in to whether a workbench, router table etc is a “project” or a “jig” (I favour the latter, but it’s not a big issue), but a standard could easily be set.

Obviously this will require a bit of site rejigging, and it isn’t going to happen over night, but I’d like to see it, or something along those lines, get onto some kind of “wish list” that, presumably, management maintains of ways to improve the site.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#1 posted 03-04-2014 12:40 PM

This makes total sense to me. I have had the same thoughts in the past about the daily top 3.

-- Steve

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#2 posted 03-04-2014 12:51 PM

Good idea.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#3 posted 03-04-2014 01:32 PM

I think that’s a gr8 idea

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed.

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#4 posted 03-04-2014 01:46 PM

Two thumbs up!

-- Doug...

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#5 posted 03-04-2014 01:49 PM

I agree, with the separation of the two classes of “projects”.

I decided not to post jigs and shop fixtures as projects. I believe projects should be reserved for “woodworking masterpieces”. To that end, I started the “I’m Not Worthy” blog series for my jigs, shop fixtures and other builds, that I feel are not worthy of project status.

There are many jigs, fixtures and shop “furniture” pieces created and posted, that are “woodworking masterpieces” and deserve “project” status. Of course, mine don’t necessarily fall into that category!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#6 posted 03-04-2014 02:18 PM

I disagree, I think it works fine the way it is currently set up. The projects that tend to get “favorited” more are the ones that offer more than than studio photography of a fine piece. I think your example of Josh Hall’s entrance table is no doubt a fine piece of furniture and a great design, but it offers little to us that want “how to” information. I believe had the author offered a little bit of insight into the production of that piece it would have made the top 3 easily. That is the reason jigs make the top three so often because they give us insight in how to do things.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#7 posted 03-04-2014 02:32 PM

I think the idea laid out in the post is great. Separating jigs and shop projects/tips, etc from furniture/household projects makes a lot of sense. They are two fundamentally different aspects of the craft and it would be ideal to showcase them differently. Now is there any incentive for the site administrators to change this? Probably not, unfortunately.

-- Jay Gargiulo, Naples, FL "Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things."- Miyamoto Musashi

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#8 posted 03-04-2014 02:55 PM

I don’t bother looking at the top 3.
It has no emphasis on the quality of a project.
Top 3 can be swayed just by how many buddies they have, doesn’t matter if it’s a jig or project,
or whether it’s quality or junk…
That being said I don’t see the difference if jigs are separated from projects.

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#9 posted 03-04-2014 02:57 PM

KnickKnack I am with you on this one. Finnished woodwork projects for display and or sale in the projects category and a seperate “How to make or design” in another category.. Tools are tools !.
Great site but always room for improvement. This site is now making a fortune on advertiseing with google so I think its now time to plough a bit back into the site to make it world class.
By the way that project above by JOSH HALL is world class and deserves recognition for his great talent and skill and there is nothing wrong with a decent photo to display such great talent, We need such top end work here to inspire us all to be creative. We should all use this platform to challenge our skills and learn something new each day.
ps: A spell check would also be a help for uploads.

-- BAZZ, LIVERPOOL UK A workshop is not a luxury . We need it to preserve our sanity in this frantic world we live in. A place to be at peace.

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#10 posted 03-04-2014 03:05 PM

I like the idea of having a jigs and projects top ten. It is a shame a great looking project will get bumped out for a jig that took 2 hours to make and the project has many many hours in it. Nothing against jigs, we all have and love them.

-- Making progress

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#11 posted 03-04-2014 03:12 PM

I disagree. A jig is still a woodworking project. There’s some jigs on Lumberjocks that are probably nicer than my “real” projects. haha. There’s no need to separate. The Daily Top 3….is just that…the 3 most popular posts of the day. Simple. Why muck this up??? Not sure of that algorithm, but as long as its factoring in views, comments, and favorites in determining the top 3 – I think that’s right on.

I also agree with Bondo. I find posts that show steps of the build process or some other technique I’m no familiar with. I’m more apt to view/favorite/comment on a project like that….because that’s what interests me. It seems since these are the type of projects that make the daily top 3, these are popular with most LJs.

I guess on my last note. Who really cares if you make the daily top 3? yeah, I agree…it is an honor, and it is kind of “cool” when you make it…but at the end of the day, does it really matter??? To me, it all seems kind of elementary.

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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#12 posted 03-04-2014 03:28 PM

I generally agree that two categories would help.

Projects get favorited because we want to bank the idea to use in the future. This obviously applies more often to shop related items like jigs than it does to lovely but less easily reproduced furniture pieces.

We are all interested in shop jigs and appliances but not all interested in Queen Anne, Maloof, or Arts and Crafts.

To make it worse, the simplest jigs are most achievable by most people and may get favorited even more.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fibreglass trees.

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#13 posted 03-04-2014 06:30 PM

I agree as well.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC | "To give anything less than your best is to sacrafice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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#14 posted 03-04-2014 06:35 PM

Two categories would make sense…

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#15 posted 03-04-2014 06:58 PM

Excellent. I had a non-furniture project make it into the top 3 recently but there were some excellent woodworking projects at the same time.

I vote for this change. Or maybe it could be called a “shop” project versus a “woodworking” project. Then a “shop” project wouldn’t even have to be made of wood even though it is useful in a woodworking shop. Just a thought…

-- Todd, Huntsville, AL

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