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Forum topic by SKlaus posted 03-04-2014 04:06 AM 1157 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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SKlaus

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03-04-2014 04:06 AM

Topic tags/keywords: grain direction grain direction rabbet

Good evening everyone,

I have been given the opportunity to be a part of a major retirement. My chief is retiring after 41 years with the City of Miami Fire Department. He has been a very influential person in my career and as one of his lieutenants, esteem him to be one of the finest chiefs the department has seen, and a fine man.

We are going above and beyond, sending him off with some unique gifts, no expense spared.

I have been tasked with the overhaul and beautification of a fire hydrant. Powder coated red, caps all chrome, bonnet bolts and nuts all chrome… I am making a rolling base for it to mount to. The flange that used to hold the fire hydrant down, is no more… So what an opportunity to make a new one out of wood!!

It will be a museum quality piece (I hope…), and will not see any outdoors. More than likely it will be moved to its home and not touched except for the occassional dusting. However, it weighs somewhere in the 100 pound range, even with the guts pulled out of it, and is very top heavy.

My plan is to create a quartered flange and rout a rabbet maybe a 1/64” short of the height of the lip (to anchor it down). My question is which direction should I run the grain for each of the quartered sections? Below are some pictures….. Hope they are good enough to understand what Im talking about.

Forgive my drawing. Its not the best… But it shows that I will laminate another 3/4” ring over the top of the rabbet in hopes of stregthening it. The base is going to possibly be 5/4, so the rabbet is a little thicker.

-- 2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."


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Grandpa

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#1 posted 03-04-2014 04:16 AM

Go with the grain…bottom sketch in the bottom pic. Less end grain to deal with when you finish it. The longer grain will look better. Congratulations to the chief

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SKlaus

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#2 posted 03-04-2014 04:26 AM

Great point!! I didnt think of that very important issue!! Do you think that the lip of the hydrant will want (if the hydrant were to want to lean) to pry up on the rabbet, and being that it would be side grain, would it be easier to snap? compared to if the grain were running into the hydrant??

-- 2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

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#3 posted 03-04-2014 07:15 AM

Agreed, go with the grain. Not only will it look better but it will be much stronger. And if you have wood with curved grain (in an arc), this is the idea situation to use it.

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#4 posted 03-04-2014 07:50 AM

Sklaus, I agree w/grandpa. The other benefit is that you will have less expansion and contraction of the wood throughout the year since the wood movement goes left to right when the grain is vertical as in your pic. I would try to avoid the plainsawn wood on the left of the board as this will have the most movement and will tend to show joint gaps or warpage of the base over time. Good luck, this sounds like a great guy who will receive this beautiful gift.

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#5 posted 03-04-2014 12:19 PM

Thanks so much for all your help! That’s exactly what I’ll do… And he is a great man. He’s one of those few true leaders out there that people aspire to be. After 40+ years of service you can understand why he would leave, but nevertheless he’s a great loss to our department.

-- 2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

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#6 posted 03-04-2014 05:52 PM

Is the base going to be painted; i.e. to match the hydrant or cement or grass?
If that’s the case I would go with MDF and not have to worry about the grain (MDF is available up to 1”).

If not, go with all of the suggestions above.

My suggestion for casters is Caster City as they have casters with colored tires and wheels to possibly complement the paint. From my experience they have many styles, sizes, and competetive prices!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#7 posted 03-04-2014 11:14 PM

How about adding a round table top to the hydrant? It could be made from a piece of 1” thick tempered glass. Being top heavy, you probably should add weight at the bottom. Maybe you could weld a 1” thick steel plate as a pedestal, about 18” diameter.

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SKlaus

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#8 posted 03-05-2014 02:07 AM

the table top is a great idea, I’d have to figure out a way to thread a big bolt down through the top and then through the glass to mount it. That would look really nice. Most times people either use it for their “man room” or their memorabilia corner. People get pretty creative with them…. a flag pole, mailbox stand (try knocking that one over huh??).... but I think the best I’ve seen is a waterfall into a pool…

Here are the results of what you guys recommended.. I think it looks great!! thanks again for all the help to all of you….

And by the way, speaking of what it will be mounted on… Thats it right there… a rolling base with small casters that will be hidden by a skirt of bubinga. Havent decided to whether to stain the maple plywood base, or leave it natural to contrast the base and the hydrant. I’ll be happy to show pictures when its all done and finished…

-- 2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

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#9 posted 03-05-2014 02:42 AM

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#10 posted 03-09-2014 02:12 PM

However it turns out I am sure it will bring your chief to tears…no matter how tough he is. I too retired as a District Chief in July 2013 (34 years) and the guys sent me off in a traditional last dinner at the fire hall. At the end of the dinner they came out with this package and in it was a 3’ high polished chroom plated old fire extinguisher with my name and rank. They lined up in formal fashion and filed past shaking my hand. I was on an emotional roller coaster that I never experienced before. Your piece no matter how it turns out, even with your chief of 41 years of “experienced hardened professional emotion control”, will no doubt treasurer his gift from “the boys”as I do.

-- AllWood

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#11 posted 03-10-2014 12:10 AM

Thanks for the encouragement chief! I will post pics when it’s all said and done… Till then here’s a picture you don’t see every day….. The whole district with our chief front and center….I’m sure you’ll appreciate it chief… Enjoy!!!

-- 2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

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