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Bill7255

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02-28-2014 01:55 PM

I have pretty much decided on a Saw Stop PCS 3hp with a 52 inch fence. I have looked at sliders and conventional cabinet saws. Although sliders are interesting, I don’t have the experience and afraid I would be in the not for me camp. Between now and end of April not Saw Stop is running the closest thing to a sale by offering either a mobile base or overarm dust collection. Which do you feel is the better deal? Also is the optional out feed table worth it? Did you buy a spare break? I know I will need the dado brake and insert. Can you use thin kerf and regular kerf blades with the riving knife supplied or do you need different thickness of riving knifes? Finally are their saw blades any good?

-- Bill R


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ScottStewart

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#1 posted 02-28-2014 02:11 PM

I got the industrial mobile base (I wanted 4 rotating wheels) and love it, but I need mobility in my shop to keep SWMBO happy. If you never need to move the saw, get the DC. I don’t have the overarm dc and it is somewhat of a pain to turn on the shop vac attached to the overarm guard, turn on the DC, then turn on the saw, then do the reverse when done. Not this year but soon I will likely get the overarm piping as well. I didn’t buy the outfeed because I thought I could build a custom one cheaper. I also didn’t buy a brake, but my local stores carry them. I might have bought one if I had to get it mail order. (Knock on wood, but I’ve had my saw almost 2 years and haven’t tripped it).

The stock saw blade is ok but nothing special. I put mine on the old saw I had when I sold the pre sawstop saw. You can buy their upgraded blade and it has gotten good reviews (I also see that Mr. Neil appears to use the upgraded blade in his.)

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brtech

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#2 posted 02-28-2014 02:58 PM

I bought my PCS when they had the same deal, a couple years ago. I opted for the overarm dust collector, because I don’t need, or want, my saw to move. If you need the mobility, definitely get that. If you don’t, the overarm DC is very nice to have. I got the Dado cartridge with mine, which I use frequently. I don’t have a spare brake cartridge, and don’t plan to need one. I’m a hobbyist, so if my saw was unavailable for a week it wouldn’t be a problem. If your livelihood depends on it, then get a spare. Consider the Coli-beck ZCI, also available from Infinity Tools, rather than the SS dado insert. You can have a whole set of inserts for different blades and different dado widths at low cost.

Yes, the riving knife works with think kerf blades. The supplied blade is decent, but I use a better one for most cuts.

It’s a great saw AND it has the safety feature. The best power tool in my shop. You won’t regret it.

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Manitario

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#3 posted 02-28-2014 03:08 PM

I have the Sawstop 1.75hp PCS. I got the standard mobile base (not the industrial one) which is good enough for moving it around from time to time. I didn’t buy the overarm DC; I bought a Shark guard (http://www.thesharkguard.com/) which I think works a bit better than the overarm DC from Sawstop. As for the outfeed table; I build my own; I wanted something bigger and sturdier.
I have a couple of extra brake cartridges, mostly because there are no SS dealers anywhere near me (8h drive) and to get one shipped to where I live is a week wait. I’ve had my SS for almost 4 years and have tripped the brake once…didn’t set my Incra mitre gauge with enough clearance from the blade and the blade contacted the metal…
I use a thin kerf blade with the riving knife with no problem. The riving knife has its thickness stamped on it, so it is easy to find a blade that works with it.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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TheDane

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#4 posted 02-28-2014 03:20 PM

They had the same deal when I bought my PCS-175 two years ago … I got the over-arm dust collection system free, and bought the mobile base.

I did not buy an extra standard brake … the local machine shop stocks them if the need arises. I did buy a dado brake.

The stock thin kerf blade was OK, but I am partial to Freud blades so I swapped it out.

I use portable roller stands so I have not outfeed table.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#5 posted 02-28-2014 06:00 PM

I got the mobile base on the same offer a few years ago. My shop is narrow, so I have to turn the saw occasionally. The mobile base works great for me. I considered the over-arm dust collector, but I decided I could fabricate my own that would work better on my dust collection system. However, I haven’t done that yet, and for the most part don’t seem to need it. I did buy a dado brake and insert. I use them frequently. I also set off the regular brake once by accident. I was down for about a week waiting for a new brake. There aren’t any dealers nearby that I could buy one from.

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Bill7255

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#6 posted 02-28-2014 06:17 PM

Thanks for the info. Another question, I currently have the Excallibur overarm guard on my current saw. Will that work with the Saw Stop riving knife?

-- Bill R

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brtech

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#7 posted 02-28-2014 06:27 PM

I think it will. There isn’t anything special about the SS table that would get in the way of an accessory like that. The riving knife is pretty straightforward, and when installed, looks like any other riving knife. The cool thing about the SS is how it’s installed, and how easy it is to get it on and off, and exchange it with the SS splitter and blade guard.

You might get ahold of the manufacturer and double check compatibility, but I think it will work.

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moke

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#8 posted 02-28-2014 08:35 PM

I have the same SS that you are going to buy. It is awesome, you will never regret it. I got the over arm collector because that was all they were offering at the time. I had to buy the wheels. I am not an over arm DC kind of guy, so it sits in my shop attic. I am kind enamered with DC so it is the dirtiest machine I use, and I am sure the overarm would fix that, but it is so big, I have just not had a desire to use it.

The wheels are awesome, I will say when you are moving a saw with a 52” extension it is rather ungainly. Be careful of the legs on the end of the extension when you move it…they are only attached with screws into MDF….while I have never broken one off, I think it could be done.

I also bought the outfeed table. Even though I have to move my saw around it is easy to attach and detach, so while I don’t use it all the time, it does come in handy for some stuff. It is nothing spectacular, I am sure you could make one, but it does have the correct steel extrusions and the shiny black formica. When you are spending 3000.00 what’s another hundred bucks right? You can get it set in the correct alignment ( For height and stuff) , then it can be attached underneath with two screws. The screws to attach it are metric and I couldn’t find a screw with an extrusion (like a wing nut only on the screw head) in the right length, I just made my own buy using JB Weld on their screws and attaching a small piece of steel at a right angle. That way I am just finger tightening them. I only attach it with 2 of the 3 screw holes, so it literally takes 1 minute it attach it and I fold the legs for storage so it is out of the way. I think it is well worth it, and if you don’t have to tear it down and set it up, you are that much ahead.

I also bought the dado brake, but the Coli-beck that Brtech talked about certainly bares some investigation.
I did buy an extra zero clearance insert for when I have the blade at 45 and one for the dado. While I have not got an extra cartridge for normal use, I am the only one of my friends with a SS that has not set it off one way or another. I have always thought of getting one, just never have.
Mike

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BigMig

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#9 posted 02-28-2014 09:56 PM

I have the saw you’re looking at, but with the smaller table (30”). It’s great, and I got the mobile base bec. I work in a small basement shop and occasionally need to move the saw. Wish I had the overarm DC…
Once oyu assemble the saw, you won’t want to install the mobile base later…

Definitely get a dado brake and I keep a spare 10” blade brake in the event of a discharge.

-- Mike from Lansdowne, PA

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#10 posted 02-28-2014 11:36 PM

Would recommend the dust collection – works fantastically. I bought my saw during the same deal last year – bought the mobile base separately – and although it hasn’t moved once since I set it up – I kind of wish I had picked up the industrial mobile base instead – seems a bit more versatile. That would be my recommendation – get the overarm dust collection and buy an industrial base separately. (although I would certainly recommend buying a mobile base at the same time as the saw – would be a pain in the @$$ to install at a later date)

Don’t get the outfeed table – build a better one yourself.

I didn’t buy a spare brake – if I ever need one I can buy one 10 minutes away from my house. I did pick up a dado brake and a zero-clearance plate for my dado stack as well.

They recommend against using a thin kerf blade with a sawstop. The blade that comes with it is pretty crap – you’ll want a nicer blade.

You’re going to love this saw!

-- Dan :: Minnesota

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Greg..the Cajun Box Sculptor

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#11 posted 02-28-2014 11:51 PM

The free choice of mobile base or dust collector seems to be an annual SawStop event cause I bought mine last year in April with the same promotion. I already had another mobile base so I selected the overarm dust collector…but I have never taken it out of the box because it seems like it would just get in the way. I also bought a dado plate, the better blade and a spare brake but have needed the brake yet. Heck, I even got 2 SawStop baseball caps…

-- If retiring is having the time to be able to do what you enjoy then I have always been retired.

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bonesbr549

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#12 posted 03-01-2014 08:05 PM

Yep, I’m waiting on my ICS, and no promotions on those. Crap.

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endgrainy

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#13 posted 03-01-2014 11:05 PM

I too have the 3HP PCS with 52” rails – it’s awesome.

I bought my saw during last year’s similar promotion. At that time, you had to have the saw’s serial number to redeem your free item. I opted for the mobile base, which came a week or so after the saw.

I was so excited to set the saw up that I couldn’t wait for the base to arrive. It turned out that the saw fits just fine in my shop, and I haven’t had to move it. Installing the mobile base is possible after the saw is fully assembled, but it’s much easier to attach it during the initial assembly process. As such, I haven’t installed the mobile base yet :)

The dust collection works well as is, but I believe in my circumstance I should have gone with the overarm dust collector freebie – my mobile base is still in the box.

To reply to your other questions – I don’t have an extra brake (I’m close to a Rockler just in case). I did upgrade the blade (although the stock blade wasn’t bad). I recently bought a dado set, the dado brake cartridge, and insert. I haven’t tried a thin kerf blade. And I built my own outfeed table.

You’re going to love the saw!

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Bill7255

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#14 posted 03-02-2014 01:20 AM

I am sure I will like the saw. The only question remaining is which free option to choose. Although I have the Excallibur I think I will sell that with my Jet saw. It is somewhat massive and it appears from the comments the Saw Stop overarm collection works well. I usually don’t move my saw, but endgrainy said it takes about a week to come. So I will most likely buy the base if I want it and get the DC. There is a dealer about an hour from me and I should get a better idea if I want to keep the Excallibur. SawStop thought it would work.

-- Bill R

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#15 posted 03-02-2014 04:01 PM

I bought mine yesterday. I was getting the industrial base anyway, so I opted for the dust collector add-on.

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