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02-26-2014 09:06 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw hybrid saw ridgid grizzly

Hi all,

I have been debating lately of upgrading my current table saw which is about 8 months old, it’s a Dewalt DW744x (I don’t use the stand, I built one it sits on to roll it around). I have been looking at the Hybrid type saws such as the Ridgid r4512 and I think there was a Grizzly and a Craftsman in this price range. I do not see many of these type of saws (if any) for sale in the Milwaukee very often.

The reason I am thinking about this is I have been reading that belt driven table saws are much better and I would like more table surface as it is pretty small on the dewalt and to do any addons for the dewalt such as a swing up outfeed or side tables seem impossible. I don’t have room for a large cabinet saw and I have to be able to easily move the saw around. The dewalt is rated at 15 amps and the Ridgid at 13 which I am not even sure will matter, but would like opinions. No matter what I need to be in that price range if there are other options.

Is it worth upgrading from my current saw or would it be a wash?

Any and all opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Tom

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI


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knotscott

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#1 posted 02-26-2014 09:22 PM

I think $350-$400 might be a tad ambitious for a used DW744, but it can’t hurt to give it a try. The added mass, table area, and increased torque will make a huge difference….so will the noise reduction. If you don’t NEED portability, a full size belt drive saw will have just about every other advantage. Even though the Ridgid is only 13 amps, it should have more torque. The Craftsman 21833 is pretty much the same saw with a 15 amp motor, so you might consider that one too. The full size Grizzly saws start closer to $800. Be aware that many of the R4512s and 21833S have had some alignment issues….Grizzly has allegedly corrected their issues. It doesn’t effect all of them, but might be worth checking at the store. There’s a new full size Delta hybrid style contractor saw at Lowes in the $650 range….not much info out yet. It’s also worth noting that a hybrid and cabinet saw take up pretty much the same footprint….only those with wider fence rails take up more space.

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#2 posted 02-26-2014 09:29 PM

Thanks Scott,

As far as the dewalt goes, anything less than $350ish or so would make it not worth selling to me the extensions and dado inserts alone were over $100…

It seems as I suspected I would be better off with a hybrid than my jobsite saw.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#3 posted 02-26-2014 09:54 PM

The Ridgid 4512 of which you speak is manufactured in China (what isn’t) at a place called One World Technologies. OWT manufactures all Ridgid “Orange” tools under license. Ridgid still manufacturers the “Red” tools, like pipe threaders and such.

OWT also manufactures the same table saw and sells to Sears and Grainger and others. In fact, Sears was selling this saw before it appeared in Home Depot with the Ridgid brand name. They may manufacture the Grizzly model G715, but I’m not sure about that. The internal design looks very similar, but I haven’t actually had my hands on a Grizzly G715

The saw is a nice saw for the money. Can be bought right now at around $450 to $500 depending on where you buy, sales, coupons, etc. The Grizzly is going to cost you a couple hundred more, but usually comes without the alignment defect.

There is no way to reasonably compare the power between the two saws you mentioned because the DeWalt is a universal, series wound, brush type motor while the Craftsman 21833 has a 1 3/4 HP rated and the Ridgid 4512 has a 1 1/2 HP rated induction motor. Induction motors are bigger, last longer, are much quieter, and the RPM is more consistent. It’s like comparing a sprinter to a marathon runner. They can both be powerful, but in different ways.

Alignment defect. The saws sold by Ridgid and Sears both have a history of a potential alignment defect. The companies do not admit that they have this problem but it is well documented. The blade to miter slot alignment changes when the blade height is changed. I have just read in the last couple of days that some people have gotten replacement trunnions that fixed the problem. I have had the problem with my saw for almost 5 years with no solution being offered.

The Ridgid warranty is an enticement to some people. It is not an warranty, but a lifetime service agreement. I question the value of a service agreement where you have to pay to ship a 265 lb tool to a service center to get it fixed.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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#4 posted 02-26-2014 10:05 PM

Thanks crank,

Now I am concerned about alignment… especially if it only happens when the blade height is changed – it would stink to have to check this before every cut and potentially have to adjust it all the time (if that’s even possible).

I was offered a Delta unisaw for $800 recently but I am unsure how old it is or any of the other details, the guy came to buy a dewalt planer stand from me and brought a book and showed what was a 1939 model to show me kind of what it looked like. With that one I am concerned about weight and size.

I read Scotts ABC article which was really good, but if these hybrids are all made by the same place all with the same problem, I might be better off not doing anything until sometime in future when I have more space and budget for a decent saw.

Now I am confused.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#5 posted 02-26-2014 11:21 PM

Sorry if I created or added to your confusion.

But, I would be even more sorry if I said all was great and then you got a lemon.
The best thing to do is check them in the store if you can. Or at least before you spend 3 or 4 hours assembling the thing. One LJ posted on here who had checked three machines at Home Depot and all were bad. This was around last November I believe.

As far as I know, the Grizzly saw has been corrected. There were some problems reported early on, but not any more. These are like any thing else that gets manufactured. The quality depends entirely on how aggressive management is at relentlessly pursuing quality goals.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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#6 posted 02-27-2014 08:12 PM

I am thinking I will just watch local craigslist for a good saw, maybe a unisaw or some other saw in my price range… I might be wrong but old metal is probably better than new plastic anyways.

-- --Tom - Saint Francis, WI

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#7 posted 02-27-2014 11:47 PM

”I might be wrong but old metal is probably better than new plastic anyways”

I’ll take metal over plastic on a saw any day, but whether or not an old saw is better than new one depends on the particular saws in question, and which features are most important to you…

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#8 posted 02-28-2014 05:32 AM

I can provide an opinion on the ridgid saw. After months of research, talking to people, and going back and forth with various reviews, I decided on the Ridgid 3650 TS. The 4512 from what I have read is a cheaper big box store saw. The 4512 had many negative reviews on the fence and the cheaper stamped steel wings. My 3650 has been quite a work horse. It has excellent cutting capabilities, the fence is dead accurate, I have a 36 inch rip capacity to the right of the blade, the dust collection is decent for a table saw, and it has the “herculift” mobile wheel system. I found mine on craigslist for 250.00 which included a 300.00 upgraded cast iron table top with the cutout for a router. Spend your time and look around, and again I highly recommend the Ridgid 3650!

-- Andrew, California

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#9 posted 02-28-2014 10:27 AM

I am still using my Rockwell Unisaw I bought in 1989. They put some real metal in these saws. It’s heavy so it doesn’t move around, has plenty of power (I cut mostly woods like Walnut, Mesquite, Bois D’Arc and Maple), rarely needs any tuning but it has gotten noisier over the years. I think a flexible belt will cure much of that. I don’t know who is making this saw since it has changed brand names as old companies are bought out by new ones. It may be a Delta or even a DeWalt but whatever, I have gotten 25 years of hard service from this saw. And it was about $750 back when I bought it, could be double that by now. And it shows no sign of wearing out. I love it and it is generally used everyday, 7 days a week. My shop is my “man cave” where I escape to for R & R.

-- I've given this a lot of thought and I don't think being an adult will work for me!!

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#10 posted 02-28-2014 06:25 PM

I cringe when someone mentions the R4512. Mine seems to work fine but there are people with real problems with it. Probably not worth taking a chance on…

-- Todd, Huntsville, AL

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