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WVWoodshed

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178 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: purchase grizzly g0715p budget opinions

I have rarely been in a financial position to make major purchases for my shop. Heck, I am rarely financially capable of resupplying my consumable woodworking supplies for that matter. But I have recently come into a small amount of cash from a project and am considering my options.

I have wanted to replace my table saw for quite some time and could look at replacing it with the something in the Grizzly G0715P range or so. While this would most likely still not be the saw of my dreams it would definitely be a huge improvement from my current Craftsman POS. If I go this direction its one and done as far as the shop is concerned. The reason this would be a good opportunity is again I am rarely in a position to purchase big ticket items and saving is difficult with life’s little surprises.

The other possibility is to purchase several long overdue hand tools (chisels, hand planes, dovetail saw, woodworking vise, etc.). I recognize this as an area my shop is really lacking and I often find myself limited by not having several of these important tools. If I had to pinpoint the single biggest shortcoming in my shop it would have to be work-holding capabilities. I am always struggling with how to hold a work-piece while I am addressing it. At the same time many of these tools are items that with a little budgeting and effort I could purchase them over time.

So my question or quest for opinions, is what would you do in this situation. Big Ticket One & Done or Many Smalls & Deal With Table Saw Inaccuracies???

Thanks for reading and hopefully responding.

-- Keep your mind on your fingers and your fingers on your hands...


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TopamaxSurvivor

14721 posts in 2302 days


#1 posted 178 days ago

What will advance your operation the most? Can you get buy with the current TS?

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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athomas5009

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#2 posted 178 days ago

Being a noob my opinion might not be worth much but this is how I would assess the situation if it were me. Ill start off by saying that is a nice looking cabinet/hybrid saw, much better than what I have to work with. That being said if I was looking to buy a saw like the G0715P it would have to be 3hp. In my mind it all depends on how poorly your craftsman ts performs. I have read many threads where hobbyists have tricked out their 70’s / 80’s Cman contractors saw and now get great results out of it. I myself have a 70’s / 80’s contractor saw and after a proper tune-up / zero clearance / couple good blades I cant complain about its performance except for the crappy fence I plan to remedy in the near future. Mine is the style with full cast iron top and wings.

The second most important thing in my mind would be weather you really want to get into woodworking by hand a lot. I myself prefer the style of Marc the Wood Whisperer a good mix of power and hand tools with more of an emphasis on power tools. A good set of chisels and hand planes are important in my book but I could never see my self hand cutting joints and etc. So I plan on purchasing a mid range set of chisels like the Stanley Sweethearts for around $250 and purchasing a better set down the road. My view on the hand plans is about the same. Sure Id love to have 4-5 Lie Nielsen’s one day but for now ill settle spending 40-60 a piece on 4-5 Old Stanley Baileys that were well cared for.

So if the TS inaccuracies are a result of never being properly aligned/tuned up and a junkie fence, then I would just get a Vega Pro for around 250, 4-5 quality old hand planes, a set of decent chisels and stow the rest away and keep my eye out for a good deal on a Leigh dovetail jig on CL.

If the current table saw is beyond that I would still look for a nice used cabinet/hybrid on CL and pick which ever of the other items that I would use most.

That’s just how I would break it down but I’m no one special and if you choose to go with the Grizzly I can’t blame you besides being 2hp there isn’t much more one could ask for in a saw. Good luck on your journey and keep us updated on your decision.

Andrew

-- Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on.

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Bill729

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#3 posted 178 days ago

I would set the money aside while shopping for a used 3 HP (220W) Delta Unisaw. The price is not that much different. I got one last year. If you have to dig a little deeper into your pocket than do it, just don’t go in to debt over it. If you don’t have “backup” money to deal with “life’s little surprises”, then I would hold onto it until you do. If you might be able to set aside $20 week, it adds up pretty fast. Good luck!

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jinkyjock

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#4 posted 178 days ago

Hi WVWoodshed, I have learned through time that the best formula for tool purchasing has been buying as and when I NEED a particular tool. In an ideal world I know what I would* LIKE, but like yourself and the majority of jocks we are all subject to financial constraints. Having a good table saw is invaluable, but like the previous posters I think maybe you should consider nearly new/used as an option, and this might free up some cash for the little delights you yearn for. As for holding work in place, you could make a simple vice yourself with threaded rod, then you may have bench dogs, bench hooks, hold-downs/holdfasts, wedges. All are simple to make and cost very little except the time taken. Spend wisely.
P.S. My sister (sadly now passed) Lucy Montgomery brought up her family in Vienna/Charleston and I currently have a niece living in Boone County.

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DIYaholic

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#5 posted 178 days ago

A quality used TS would be my advice….
More bang for the buck!
May even leave a little cash for a few of the hand tools you seek.

Good luck in your journey….

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procratination a bad thing?

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reedwood

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#6 posted 178 days ago

Great advise Bill!
I’d start looking for a decent used saw. or wait until the one you want goes on sale.

Clean up and sell the one you have to get more money.

Your instinct is right – buy the big item while you still have the big wad o cash. It doesn’t happen that often.

You can afford to buy hand tools anytime, one at a time.

-- Mark - I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude. - Malo periculosam

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Mike67

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#7 posted 178 days ago

FYI: You can get that saw for less – even with shipping – if you order direct from Grizzly:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series-/G0715P

Also, Grizz typically has a spring sale so you could wait another month or so and see if the price on that one goes down. The discounts usually aren’t huge because Grizz prices are already low, but maybe you’d save fifty bucks.

In the meantime, watch CL every day. I see decent saws all the time up here in VT. Often, people are asking nutty prices, but sometimes you see good deals.

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knotscott

5417 posts in 2002 days


#8 posted 178 days ago

The TS is the heart of my shop, and is where I’d spend the bulk of my resources. Smaller items can be acquired with miscellaneous funds that come up throughout the year, but big ticket money is much harder to come by at my house….I would not recommend frittering on small items.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Mark Davisson

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#9 posted 178 days ago

I would agree that the TS is the best use of your cash. I have no opinion on whether you should go with a new Grizzly or a used whatever, but I do know that, at least in my area, good used TS finds on Craigslist are rare – like extremely rare.

I don’t know what kind of “gift action” you see on birthdays and/or Christmas at your house, but a nice hand tool is the kind of thing my kids like to pool their money to get me. Also, it’s not uncommon for me to run into a deal on a good used hand tool at our local Restore or flea markets (or even ebay).

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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WVWoodshed

27 posts in 561 days


#10 posted 177 days ago

Hey everyone, THANKS for all the responses. I am still undecided at this point and may play the wait game for a little while. If I can keep the money from burning a hole in pocket. I love the idea of a used cabinet saw and do occasionally see them on CL regionally, but never in my immediate area. I guess I’ll have to keep my fingers crossed.

For those wondering, my current TS is a 3yr old 21807 Craftsman 10” 15amp unit. I am not going to go into all the issues with this saw, but suffice to say it is comparable to an inverted SkilSaw screwed to a two excessively twisted 2×4s. Misery should be its name and stupid should be mine for having purchased it. The only thing I can say good about it is the blade has continued to spin when sufficient power is applied to it. My typical process is to use it to rough down my lumber and then work through my other tools to compensate for its shortcomings.

As far as the smaller items I need most of them are upgrades and not really new additions. I have older Stanley chisels, but they do not hold an edge very well. I have a Stanley block plane, a No.6c fore plane and a No.4 Handyman smoother, but only the two Stanley’s are worth keeping. I have one Veritas carcass saw, one 1890’s Disston panel saw and a few other 1970’s vintage handsaws, none of which are sharp.

As I said originally, the biggest void in my shop is work holding capabilities. I am regularly finding myself in some wild contorted position trying to hold a board flat to the table while I am planing or chiseling a rough work piece straight from the TS. Several times per project I find myself working in an unsafe manner simply because I don’t have a reasonable way to hold the work piece. Maybe my best option is to buy a couple of decent vises off ebay or cl, build a better bench and deal with everything else later.

Aarrrgggghhhh…. I am completely exasperated with all this, maybe Bill’s idea to squeeze the dollars a little longer is the best idea in the end. Then again this is an addiction and I am eat up with it, so who knows…

-- Keep your mind on your fingers and your fingers on your hands...

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MrRon

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#11 posted 177 days ago

I would go the quality used saw route; sell the POS and buy some hand tools from the proceeds. As for work holding, there are many ways to secure work without spending any money. I use a cleat and wedge setup on my bench to hold work on edge. Just nailing (or screwing) wood blocks on the bench in association with wedges can hold work of any shape.

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WVWoodshed

27 posts in 561 days


#12 posted 177 days ago

OK, so one of the issues that I’ve run across a number of times concerning Grizzly’s Hybrid TS is runout at different elevations of the blade. On a number of posts here and at other sites people have complained that runout is nearly perfect at the blades full height, but changes as the blade is lowered into the cabinet. Well I called Grizzly and to their credit they admitted it has been a problem in the earlier production runs, but that this particular issue has been addressed in manufacturing. The person I spoke with was very helpful and open with their responses. Their recommendation is I look up to the 1023RL model, which is a $300 bump in my budget. Having already made a TS acquisition mistake in the past I think I will begin a new product review to determine what is available in the next price bracket and whether I am really ready to make the larger financial commitment.

The one question I have for everyone based on this conversation is whether Taiwan or China makes a better product? The Grizzly representative inferred Taiwan generally makes a better quality product, but their explanation wasn’t very convincing. I do not have an opinion myself, so hopefully some of you could provide an opinion.

Thanks again for all the responses I may be further from making a decision, but I certainly feel more educated this time around.

-- Keep your mind on your fingers and your fingers on your hands...

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knotscott

5417 posts in 2002 days


#13 posted 177 days ago

”The one question I have for everyone based on this conversation is whether Taiwan or China makes a better product?”

This is somewhat subjective…IMO both countries are capable of turning out high quality, but Taiwan has been at it longer, and has gained a reputation for consistency. China is more of a work in progress. Manufacturing is generally transferred to China to save money, not increase quality, but with the right manufacturer, detailed specifications and good communication, they can make some excellent saws. If this ties to a decision between the G1023RL and G0690 cabinet saws, that’s also subjective, but both are significant steps up in class from the G0715P, and are excellent values in today’s market. All are light years beyond your current saw. I favor the more modern design of the G1023RL due to the threaded elevation screw and dovetail ways on the arbor carriage vs the swing arm design on the G0690….I also like the serpentine drive belt, and Shop Fox Classic fence. The G0690 has wider stock rip capacity, but you can slide the rails over on the G1023RL to get close to 36” rip from it. You’re doing a great job with the research….good luck with your decision.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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SCOTSMAN

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#14 posted 177 days ago

Seems to me if you don’t treat your self to a new saw now, while you have the big funds ,you might never have the chance again.Whereas buying smaller hand tool stuff could be affordable several times a year perhaps. Also if you get a fair price for your old saw then that would definitely help with some cash for hand tools for the moment. I alway or mostly always buy used stuff after checking it out beforehand.I have never yet been diddled by anyone however I usually buy heavy duty comercial stuff when it comes to saws however.Therefore you will ask here first no doubt and be well advised by those who understand USA machines better than I do.I really wish you well and hope you get your new saw I am sure you deserve it after working hard all your days.I treat mmyself all the time, and will leave it up to my sons to sell what I have accumulated over many years.LOL after all it’s not my headache when I have gone to the big shop in the sky heh heh .Catch me moving heavy stuff when I’m dead no chance matey LOL Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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