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Forum topic by poopiekat posted 02-23-2014 10:00 PM 1019 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-23-2014 10:00 PM

Topic tags/keywords: stanley siegley

Slim pickens here in the winter wonderland!
I batted Zero at a couple of antique shops that I go to once in a while, so I visited a couple of weekend flea markets. At one, I came up with what I believe to be possibly a Siegley #3

Then, at another, I nearly walked right on by this orphan, sitting on a 50% off table:


Yup, a ‘Record’ #03, with Hunter Green paint…

But wait… what’s with the patent dates?

Yep, a Stanley base, Type 11, with 3 patent dates, and corrugated!!

with the wrong frog, Record lever cap, and late Stanley cutter, maybe from a Handyman!! WOW! And.. $10 too!

Hey, I’m not totally sure if the frog is right or not, but somebody went to a WHOLE lot of trouble to detail the paint on the sole and frog to precisely applied to only the un-machined surfaces!
I know I’ve got a #3 Stanley era-correct lever cap somewhere… and, unbelievably, I’ve got a Record #03 crying out for a plated shiny lever cap to replace the rough sand-cast one it has!

So… the house is quiet this afternoon, I’m going to curl up with some coffee, slippers, and PTAMPIA vol #1 and #2 and determine whether that boy is indeed a Siegley, and possibly discover why anybody would put a Hunter Green finish on a Stanley T-11. (The photos don’t show the color correctly)

Oh, and among the planes left behind was an “Este” #3 $45!!!! (I already got one), a Record #6 with the worst toe-brazing ever $27, and a few Transitionals that look like they were munched on by the Abdominal Snowman. Good Day, All!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!


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#1 posted 02-23-2014 10:07 PM

Let us know what you find, but I’d bet the cup of coffee its not a Siegley. Try a defiance though.

Painting a type 11 green should be a crime.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#2 posted 02-23-2014 10:13 PM

Thanks, Don!! I’m betting that it’s an early whatever lever cap put on a generic #3 base. I’m going to un-Franken-fy that Type 11 and find all the right parts for it, whatever the cost. The original japanning looks to be near 100%, which IS the real crime of it all. Knob and tote are near-perfect, and not a speck of rust anywhere….Hmmm.. The green just might grow on me, though. Most Defiance planes I’ve seen have that ugly lettering up the sides of the tote, so that threw me off. Love that locomotive look of the lever-cap!!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#3 posted 02-23-2014 10:26 PM

Ive never seen a frog flat faced with the 2 small indentations at the top, but I’ve never owned a Record. Is that a record frog?

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#4 posted 02-23-2014 10:57 PM

I’ll have to check… BRB… I do know there was some sort of gummy inserts die-cut to fit those indentations… I’ll take a look at my Record #3, Might have 2 or 3 of ‘em, and post a photo.. .you really got me curious now, Don!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#5 posted 02-23-2014 11:00 PM

Looks like you’re really onto something, Don!!
Here’s 5 Record ( or Record/Marples) frogs. These are the real thing, for sure, and none have indentations like the ones you spotted from today’s haul. Eagle-Eye!!

[Edit:] I have an equivalent #3 Type 11 frog in my re-hab bin. I guess now is the time to go drag it out and compare with this mystery frog!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#6 posted 02-23-2014 11:11 PM

It almost looks pieced from the picture.

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#7 posted 02-23-2014 11:27 PM

to make matters worse, the lateral adjust is of recent design, no wheel, just a bent stub that engages the cutter slot. And, a Vee tip like a Union plane, instead of the era-correct T-tab pressed in. If I didn’t know any better, I’d begin to say this plane was a knock-off, using a T-11 sole, and a generic frog. The cutter is brand new, corners rounded like a Handyman, and a hollow grind that looks like it’s never been used, or at least never honed to an edge. It’s stamped for indicating grind angle instructions like later Stanley planes and English planes. The #4 T-11 in my plane hospital has a frog that looks proper, and the yoke and other small details are all quite different from this. The long rod for the tote goes all the way through the sole, emerging right at the rise of the tote support tail. I’m mystified.
My guess is that’s not a Record frog… Could it be some sort of Commie plot to flood the market with fake Type 11s???

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#8 posted 02-23-2014 11:58 PM

PK, you have a plane addiction. :)
How many do ya have now?
Bill

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