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Forum topic by Charlie75 posted 02-21-2014 12:12 AM 622 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-21-2014 12:12 AM

I am in the process of finishing a valentine band saw jewelry box. I applied a coat of dye stain and it came out just tad darker then I was hoping for. Especially noticable on the end that would be end grain. Might mention that it is made from Cherry. I was planning on using Enduro-var gloss over the top.
Any suggestions about toning down the colors? Or tips for future use.
I really like using GP water based produces especially because I have to do my finishing in the lower level of our home.
Charlie

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#1 posted 02-21-2014 02:50 PM

Thinning your dye more, lightens the color and then adding additional coats will gradually darken the color and that way it will allow you to ‘sneak up’ on the intensity that you are trying to achieve.

Best Regards. Grandpa Len.
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#2 posted 02-21-2014 04:28 PM

Thanks Len. Very helpful.
Charlie

-- Charlie75, Alto

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#3 posted 02-21-2014 05:04 PM

Any water base dye /stain can be redissolved by water, that said , if its too dark you could use a sponge or cloth dampened with water and simply wipe some of it off . Just go easy

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#4 posted 02-21-2014 05:10 PM

Will sanding the end grain with higher grit decrease absorption of dye like it does with stain?

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#5 posted 02-21-2014 05:28 PM

yes it will, also on an end grain, try wiping it with a little water before appling the dye, to decrease the absorbtion .

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#6 posted 02-21-2014 06:47 PM

Thanks Charles. This forum is turning into a treasure trove of information and education. I did end up buffing it down a tad and am ok with how it looks now. I am in the process of applying Enduro-Var (gloss) on it now. It’s lookiing pretty good. Not perfect but this is my first time doing something like this.

Related to this topic, seems like I remember reading that you could mix a small amount of dye stain with Enduro-Var and get slight color alterations. Does this work?

Charlie

-- Charlie75, Alto

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#7 posted 02-21-2014 07:29 PM

Charlie, I have seen that as well, you need to try it on a scrap, Enduro-var is a oil modified product, meaning basically its an oil finish, ( of sorts, ), in my test where I like to use whatever dye or stain as a a glaze , when I do it between coat’s of Endurovar, it goes nuts. Its a “Testy ” product, .....a good one , but has some tempermental issues, so try it on scrap, first. One of the things you have to do is to let it dry well between coats, or it can blush, ( cloudy white) , because you can trap moisture inbetween the coats. It is best used over itself.

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#8 posted 02-21-2014 07:55 PM

Charlie I’m unsure about the brand Enduro, but I have a lot of experience with Mohawk & other brands of powdered & die stains for furniture touch up and repair I did years ago. All of the fancy clear coating melt-sticks, blah blah blah, they worked ok, but I actually had a lot of luck mixing these powdered and dye stains with poly, varnish on occasion but rare and especially with lacquer finishes. I could achieve various levels of stain shading working my way up to the final color very easily. So yes I believe you would be fine mixing the dye stains as you described, just try it and let us know how it went, can’t hurt anything. Worked fine for me.

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#9 posted 02-21-2014 08:08 PM

Bravo , Enduro Var is a completely different animal .

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