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Forum topic by opalko posted 02-19-2014 06:18 PM 1707 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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opalko

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02-19-2014 06:18 PM

Topic tags/keywords: bed hardware

I’m getting ready to make a queen size shaker style bed. I’m considering these 2 knockdown hardware options:

Bed Rail Fasteners

Bed Bolts

Is there any advantage of one over the other? I’m leaning more towards the bed rail fasteners as they look like they would be a little easier and quicker to assemble with.

Thanks


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waho6o9

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#1 posted 02-19-2014 07:05 PM

http://www.leevalley.com/US/Hardware/page.aspx?cat=3,40842&p=43730&ap=1

Lee Valley has hardware for your consideration as well.

Some of LV’s hardware require no mortizing if you want to make it easier.

Of your two options I’d go for the first one.

HTH

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AandCstyle

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#2 posted 02-20-2014 02:12 AM

I have used the fasteners you show and they are very solid. However, you do need to be able to mortise the ends of the rails. I clamped my rails in my bench vice and used an upcut spiral in my router. It worked, but holding the router at an angle was a bit of a challenge. That said, I would do it that way again. FWIW

-- Art

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#3 posted 12-19-2017 08:26 AM



I have used the fasteners you show and they are very solid. However, you do need to be able to mortise the ends of the rails. I clamped my rails in my bench vice and used an upcut spiral in my router. It worked, but holding the router at an angle was a bit of a challenge. That said, I would do it that way again. FWIW

Art, when you used these fasteners how tight was the resulting joint? I’ve recently switched over to these and my joints wiggle a bit from side to side. I’m wondering if I should dig the mortises a little deeper, this putting more tension on the joint. The instructions only seem to say to mortise deep enough so that the hardware lays flush with the face of the wood. I did that and they all (on both beds I built) wiggle a little. Not exactly the solid connection I was expecting. I may go back to using the surface mounted hardware. It was rock solid.
Thanks,
Chuck
- AandCstyle


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#4 posted 12-19-2017 10:40 AM

I’ve used bed bolts in the three beds I’ve made. Makes a super rigid frame. They are a bit fussy to install in terms of getting the hole drilled in the end of the rails straight enough so that it intersects with the hole for the cross dowels at the right place.

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John Smith

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#5 posted 12-19-2017 02:04 PM

I just finished a queen size post frame bed for my wife.
I bought the headboard from Amazon during a fire sale which did not include
the rails or footboard – - – headboard only. I found a lumberyard Up Nawth
that sells white cedar fence rail and I purchased a few pieces of 6ft posts from him and then
bought the 1-14” dowel cutter from LumberJackTools on ebay.
this is what I accomplished using standard white pine 2×6 lumber for the rails and
regular lag bolts for the fasteners. A mortise was cut into the posts. steel “L” brackets on the underside corners.






There is a 2×2 brace rail glued and screwed to the inside of the box frame
to hold the cross slats that the box springs rest on. If I had it to do over again, (and I know I will),
I would make it at least 12-16 inches higher so you can store boxes under the bed
and to clean. very difficult to clean being so low and zero storage space.

I don’t know if you call this a Shaker Style, Western Style (Bonanza) or Redneck Ingenuity.
but my wife loves it – that’s all that matters.
I will probably sell this one some day and make another one using the dowel cutter
that I have now. Once you do one, you see how incredibly simple it really is.

Good Luck in your build !!
Johnny

-- Graduated Valedictorian from the University of HardKnocks --

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#6 posted 12-19-2017 02:45 PM

I used the bed rail fasteners. The bed is rock solid.

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jonah

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#7 posted 12-19-2017 03:31 PM

I used the bed rail fasteners in my bed project, but if I had to do it again I’d use big beefy bed bolts. The headboard->rail connection has too much flex in it with the hook-type fastener.

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pintodeluxe

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#8 posted 12-19-2017 04:19 PM

I use these. I like integral tenons instead of the Dowels shown on the Rockler site

http://www.rockler.com/bed-rail-connection-system

Blog here… http://lumberjocks.com/pintodeluxe/blog/38289

Good luck.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Mike_D_S

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#9 posted 12-20-2017 07:54 AM

Though I haven’t built a bed, I have two pretty nice quality wooden bed frames, one with bed bolts and one with the wedge style fasteners.

The wedge style eventually developed a small amount of play and a small occasional squeak. The bed bolt one also loosened up a little, but I just swung the escutcheons out of the way and gave each bolt a 1/2 turn and was tight again.

Just for that I’d recommend the bolts. Though the tenon or dowels are also critical for long term durability.

Mike

-- No honey, that's not new, I've had that forever......

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AlaskaGuy

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#10 posted 12-20-2017 08:04 AM



I use these. I like integral tenons instead of the Dowels shown on the Rockler site

http://www.rockler.com/bed-rail-connection-system

Blog here… http://lumberjocks.com/pintodeluxe/blog/38289

Good luck.

- pintodeluxe


Not that I have use this one but this one looks the best to me.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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jonah

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#11 posted 12-20-2017 02:24 PM

The problem with that kit is that you’re depending on a threaded insert to hold up over time. In my experience, they just don’t. I’d rather deal with covering up bolt holes (or not covering them up, since I don’t think they’re an eyesore).

A bolt and washer will stand up to the considerable racking and other forces routinely applied to beds.

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CharlesNeil

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#12 posted 12-20-2017 04:16 PM

Been using bed bolts from Horton Brasses for 40 years , never had an issue , and my beds are rock solid .

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