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nealius

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164 days ago

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My hunt for a good used saw deal continues! I’ve found these two saws that are both within a couple hours, and I’m looking for some info and comments on both.

First up is this old girl:

The person who posted can’t tell me much about the saw (brand, model number, or otherwise) but thinks it is about 15 years old. It seems to have a good unifence and incra miter gauge/fence. It also comes with the outfeed table, which I can’t fit in my garage shop, but has a vise on it that might be useful. Asking price is $450.

What can you tell me about this saw? It looks like both wings are on the left. I assume one can still be put on the right, right?

Next up is this deal:

This is the Craftsman 152.221140. It comes with:
-HTC Mobile Base
-Rockler Angled Cut Jig
-Diablo Freud Saw Blade
-Diablo 8” Dado Set
-Sears Dado Insert

I like the cabinet mounted trunnion, solid cast iron wings, and mobile base. I know the fence isn’t the best, but that could be updated in the future. I think I could also add a BORK for a little upgrade in safety. Asking price is a firm $500, which seems a little high but fair considering the add-ons the clean condition.

So what do you guys and gals think? Should I get one of these or keep cursing my 113 for a little while longer? I appreciate all the advice in advance.


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Bill7255

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#1 posted 163 days ago

Well, send the children out of the workshop and keep cursing. The first saw seems to be an old delta. When you look beyond the Incra and fence you see he has added a regular switch, some makeshift dust collection using a variety of materials, a homemade insert he has flipped. Just too many patched up things to give me confidence on anything else. The second saw is better, but still a craftsman at $500. I can’t really comment on the quality of that craftsman, but time you would add the features you talked about it would never be worth it. I would keep looking.

-- Bill R

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knotscott

5369 posts in 1977 days


#2 posted 163 days ago

Both seem on the high side to me, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t get a very good working saw from one, or couldn’t make a reasonable offer.

The first appears to be one of the many saws made by Mao Shan in Taiwan….they made them under their own name, Grizzly, Jet, Ohio Forge, AFF, Omega, PM, Bridgewood, and several other relatively little known names….they may have even made one for Delta at some point. The guts are typical Taiwanese contractor saw with the table mounted trunnions and connecting rods. The motors were strong, mounted outside the saw, right tilt, and were pre-riving knife. It’s got a nice fence upgrade.

The 2nd one is a Craftsman 22114 “zipcode” saw. It was the 2nd of three models with the cabinet mounted trunnions made by Steel City Orion….sold in the $550 to $750 range new. The top model was the 22124 with the Biese fence that has since been replaced by the current 22116. These were good saws with a fairly large happy following. Cabinet mounted trunnions, inboard motor, serpentine belt drive, left tilt, 12” solid cast iron wings, traditional splitter, marginal fence. The BORK will fit that saw. He does have some nice accessories, but those don’t generally add a ton of value to a used saw.

It’s up to you if you want to pay the price for either. Having owned a 22124 for over 3 years and being familiar with it, I’d be more comfortable with the 22114….with a fence upgrade, it’d be well worth $500. He’s not likely to sell it quickly for $500….can’t hurt to make an offer ($400ish…let him keep some of his prized accessories), and just explain that you think $500 is well above fair market value. I’ve also had a Mao Shan made Griz G1022Z here….I’d think $350 with that fence is plenty. Good luck!

edit: No shortage of used saws in your area, but most are a little high….they could be benchmarking the high prices off each other, but offers are ok. Probably a Delta 36-980, but not quite sure…..left tilt, solid wings, T2 fence. This has potential…I’d offer a little less – http://huntsville.craigslist.org/tls/4291033661.html

This one is rough but has a good fence and is cheap…..buy two, swap the fence, clean it up resell it? Probably a Delta 36-680, right tilt, steel wings, t2 fence. http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/tls/4311976518.html

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CrazeeTxn

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#3 posted 163 days ago

Looking at their site, this one is on sale for $550. http://www.sears.com/craftsman-professional-10-in-contractor-saw-sears-21833/p-00921833000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

Would be kind of hard to pay $500 for used, even if it’s in good condition w/accessories that you can add yourself later.

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mikeevens45

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#4 posted 163 days ago

bought my delta model 10 for 150…a little cleaning, aligning and rockler link belt and it works awesome, I would keep looking for a unisaw etc. make sure it has a cast iron table

-- as technology progresses, wood workers seem to regress...all my power tools and my favorite is a chisel and a hand plane

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nealius

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#5 posted 163 days ago

Thanks for all the great responses!

Bill – you honed in on the things that bothered me as well, but I didn’t know if it were a diamond in the rough. It’s not, so this one is out. Thanks for your input.

Scott – as always your responses are informative and unbiased. You even found a saw that I somehow overlooked. I’ll follow up on the newer looking delta and let you know what happens.

CrazeeTxn – That’s a good bargaining chip! I think the 21833 is less saw than the 22114 in terms of wings, trunnions, weight, etc. Plus I think it has all the alignment issues of the Ridgid R4512, but the seller of the 22114 probably doesn’t know that. Might be useful in talking him down, thanks!

Mike – I love a good deal. Honestly, that’s why I’m still looking. I passed on a Ridgid 3650 with a vega fence a few months back because the seller wouldn’t work with me on price. Thanks for your input.

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Tedstor

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#6 posted 163 days ago

The Craftsman is the better saw between the two. I’d be tempted to go ahead and pay the $500 IF:
- You don’t already have the included accessories AND think you’d use them. Afterall, the mobile base and dado stack are probably worth $150 retail and $80 used.
- You don’t want to keep looking for saws. I persoanlly wouldn’t turn over every stone in the hopes of finding that 1/1,000,000 gem. I’d rather just buy a saw and get to work. Some people are more patient than I am.
Now with that said, I surely wouldn’t offer $500. I’d offer $400 and see where things go. Leave the seller the option of contacting you later if he’s willing to discount.

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nealius

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#7 posted 163 days ago

Tedstor – I want a mobile base and need a dado stack, so those accessories are worth a little money to me. You’re point is well taken about being too patient. I think of it every time I’m struggling with my current saw set-up. But finding a great deal only makes that much sweeter! Thanks for your input.

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knotscott

5369 posts in 1977 days


#8 posted 163 days ago

I’d honestly consider picking up the 22114, and the beat up Delta with the T2 fence. If you swap the fences, you’d have a 22114 that’s a pretty close equivalent to a 22124, which is well worth $500 IMO. Then clean up that Delta, put the 22114’s fence on it, and sell it for $200-$250 to offset paying the premium for the 22114….you might be surprised how much more appealing an item is when it’s clean.

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