Unidentified Stanley Sweet Heart (?)

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Forum topic by ShopCat posted 12-30-2008 06:26 PM 3794 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-30-2008 06:26 PM

I recently got a plane on ebay that is dimensionally accurate match for a Stanley #6 Fore plane. It has a Sweet Heart iron, and the frog, lever cap, chip breaker are the same as my #4 Sweet Heart. But there is no ‘Bailey’ lettering, no ‘no. 6’, which I would expect to find on any Stanley of that generation.

I’m not unhappy with it; sole is sound and true, no cracks, etc. I will have to lap it a bit, but not a lot, so a good working plane with much higher quality than Groz or Anant, and infinitely lower price than a LN, Veritas, etc.

I’m just wondering if anyone out there can explain the lack of lettering.

-- ShopCat

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#1 posted 12-30-2008 07:06 PM

While I’m not a collector of Stanley planes, I own & use about a dozen of them. I’ve never seen one that does not say Stanley or Bailey on the bed and a number as well. If I knew how to add a link here I would, but if you Google “Patrick’s Blood and Gore” you’ll get to an excellent site on Stanley planes & that may help you.
Also, google “Stanley by Brunner” There are a lot of great pics by number of Stanley planes. -SST

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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#2 posted 12-30-2008 07:47 PM

You probably have a “put together” plane. Sounds like the base is from a generic plane which could have been made by Stanley. Out of curiousity, You say a #6, but a #6 should have a 2 1/2 inch iron and a #4 has a 2 inch iron. Did I mis-understand? If it works don’t concern yourself about it. The mouth is the most important part of the base. If it is flat it will work just fine.

-- Thos. Angle, Jordan Valley, Oregon

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#3 posted 12-30-2008 08:51 PM

Ah, sorry my mistake. I should have said the iron is stamped Sweet Heart, and the frog, cap, chipper are a match for my #4.

That is what sort of confuses me. I started out guessing it is some form of composit, but with the iron for a #6, plus the frog it says the parts are Stanley parts. If it is an after market sole, it had to have been cast for the Sweet Heart frog, which is different and beefier than the regular Bailey frog on my #5.

So, why would someone put a more expensive blade and frog on a cheaper sole? If it is cheaper that is; and yeah, I know that maybe they just happened to have the parts in the right place right time. I’ve certainly done things that make less sense with spare parts.

This thing just looks like it is supposed to be together this way. But I doubt that Stanley wouldn’t put their name on it. Which gets me to where I am now.

-- ShopCat

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#4 posted 12-31-2008 01:53 AM

From my understanding, ( note: not gospel, just gossip)

Stanley built and supplied planes for other labels, like early Sears Craftsman, and Wards Lakeside, and if I remember correctly, Master Mechanic. Most of these were labeled as Craftsman etc., but some of the labeling was limited to the lever cap and handles.

Lot’s of fun eh?


-- I don't make sawdust...I produce vast quantities of "Micro Mulch."

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#5 posted 12-31-2008 02:02 AM

Side note, Sears part numbers also indicate the manufacturer.

For example a hand plane that has part number 107-##### was manufactured by Millers Falls or Dunlap,

Planes with part numbers 187-#### were manufactured by Stanley for Sears.

I see Sears Craftsman planes still in the box sell on E-bay for substantially less than the Stanley counterpart…

Here’s the web page link


-- I don't make sawdust...I produce vast quantities of "Micro Mulch."

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#6 posted 12-31-2008 04:47 AM

Thanks all. Despite the mixed mode, it shaves wood ever so finely. For $38 plus some lapping time, still a nice plane.

-- ShopCat

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#7 posted 06-15-2009 01:59 AM

Hey guys!!!!! I have several Stanleys that have the sweet heart logo. I do understand that these blades are
special. Can someone tell me exactially what is so special about them? I have checked out the blood & gore web site and a dozen others.

I do love the old Stanleys. I just threw out a new #4 because the chip breaker was defective.
I have NO respect for the new Stanleys, as far as I’m concerned most of them are junk.

If you have an old Stanley, take good care of it and treat it with the respect it deserves.
Keep on makin’ those little curles.

-- The wood is good.

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#8 posted 06-15-2009 07:43 AM

I have an old stanley that doesn’t say Stanley or Bailey on the body. It is a No 5 and it is around 100 years old. I think it says No 5 on it. I’m not too sure. I don’t use it as I have 3 No 5s so I haven’t looked at it in a while.

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