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Forum topic by Tedstor posted 01-30-2014 06:47 PM 904 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Tedstor

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01-30-2014 06:47 PM

Anyone know if this is a universal or induction powered saw from this pic alone?? I know Delta has offered both motor configurations at one time or another. The seller can’t give me a model number or much else in the way of additional info. Whats the most you could see yourself paying for it?
Thanks for any input.


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#1 posted 01-30-2014 07:55 PM

I believe that to be a 34-444. If it is, it not only has an induction motor, it has a very good one. The OEM motor was actually a 2 HP that Delta derated to 1.5 HP to meet some UL requirements. The motor plate calls it 1.5 HP on 120V, and 2 HP on 240V. I had one, though mine had a Unifence I bought new in the early 90’s, used it until around 2001 when I bought a Unisaw. I’ve seen those saws show up around me from time to time as low as $200, which to me makes it a very good buy. One other thing, they are USA made. The fence in your photo has been called “serviceable” by some who have it, I’ve not worked with one. The wings are a cheesy stamped steel, but they still also are quite serviceable. Note that sometimes Delta’s model numbers are slightly different due to the fence or even the color of the paint, in any case if you’re in the market for a TS that can be a good one.

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#2 posted 01-31-2014 05:49 AM

I second Fred’s assesment – Delta 34-444
When it comes to contractors saws this is a good one. I would say they go for $200-$400 depending on condition and accessories, wings,fence etc.

-- John from Murrieta

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#3 posted 01-31-2014 06:14 AM

$150.

My area has a collapse in used machine values going on. Other
areas are different.

If you need more saw and the saw is better than what
you have, the value is more. That’s how pro shops buy
too.

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#4 posted 01-31-2014 07:37 AM

Great saw with a crappy fence. Wouldn’t pay over $250.

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#5 posted 01-31-2014 11:34 AM

Thanks gents. Seller wants $100 for it. Its about 45 minutes from my location, so I didn’t want to invest the time, only to find out it was the universal motor design. I already have a 113 saw with a T2 fence which I’m pretty happy with…..but thought I might pick this one up and give it a test drive. If I like it, I might keep it. But if I can potentially clear $100 profit (should I sell it) it would make the experiment more worthwhile.

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#6 posted 01-31-2014 12:31 PM

I’d buy it in a heartbeat for $100. If you keep it and add a fence you’re still ahead. It should bring more if you resell….assuming the saw isn’t beat in some way.

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#7 posted 01-31-2014 02:01 PM

I would avoid that saw and the imports that copied the design. The big problem with them is the motor and back portion of the trunnion hang on the back portion of the table that’s weakened by the hole for the table insert. If one lays a straight edge across the table behind the insert they’ll find a significant sag in the cast iron table. This was true for new, freshly assembled saws and the sag gets worse with use and time. This makes a 90° cut trying at best and adds to the risk of kickback. It’s possible to remove the sag with careful installation of a Biesemeyer style fence and using the heavy angle iron back rail to carry the weight of the motor and trunnion but you risk cracking the cast iron top in the process.

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#8 posted 01-31-2014 02:26 PM

I’d ignore lwllms warning on table sag, I have owned and used contractor saws and never had this problem. The brands I am familiar with are this Delta and my personal favorite the Powermatic 63 Artisan. Both were excellent for what they were and both were dead on accurate once properly tuned up. Perhaps he got one with a warped casting and that’s why he has a negative view, who can say? The fence on the Delta is a dog though and I’d definitely be trading it out for the T2. $100.00 is a steal, are you gone yet? Get after it, it won’t last long.

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#9 posted 01-31-2014 03:36 PM

I picked up an earlier model 34-410 (1981 vintage) when it was still branded as Rockwell. I’m no expert on the motor, but what Fred said sounds right.

For what its worth, i picked up my saw from an estate sale in Nov for $85. No blade guard or miter guage, but other than that i plugged it in and its a beast!! I would jump all over that for $100 even at 45 minutes away.

All the other comments are spot on, the fence is usable (for me for now) and the wings aren’t anything to cheer about.

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Rick M.

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#10 posted 01-31-2014 05:21 PM

I’ve know several people personally who have been using a Delta contractor they bought new years back and are still going strong. Mine is ~15 years old, no sag in the cast iron from the motor. I’ve also read good things about the old Craftsman 113’s so if you have one I’m not sure you will be stepping up in any significance but for $100 you can’t go wrong.

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#11 posted 01-31-2014 06:15 PM

Thanks again fellas. I’m going to try to buy it tonight if it doesn’t sell before then.

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#12 posted 02-01-2014 01:36 AM

Tedstor,

Regardless of what others said, take a straight edge with you. I wouldn’t have said what I did based on one saw. In the course of 20 years of making my living as a carpenter I’m sure I checked over 20 Rockwell/Delta and Grizzly knock-offs and every one had the sag including two new Rockwell saws on showroom floors and one in Grizzly’s show room just after it opened in Springfield, MO. The Rockwell/Delta 9” contractors saws that were sold as saw and 4” jointer combinations had a shorter span across the back of the saws and the two of those I checked didn’t have the sag. Nearly every one of the owners of the 10” saws swore their saw didn’t have the sagging table until I showed them they did.

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Rick M.

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#13 posted 02-01-2014 08:11 AM

Mine has a few thousandths dip next to the insert but it’s always been there since I bought it new (unassembled), hasn’t gotten worse, hasn’t gotten better, and hasn’t affected cutting. My fence has a similar hollow in the face in about the same place, but again has never been an issue. Used to be that woodworkers didn’t obsess about a few thousandths here and there.

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#14 posted 02-02-2014 12:42 PM

Well? Waiting to hear the outcome…..

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#15 posted 02-03-2014 05:45 PM

Update, I double checked my saw to make sure and there is zero sag. The dip near the insert I mentioned is too small to slide a piece of paper under and can barely be seen with a light behind it so I’d guess it’s .001-.002” but is nowhere near the motor mount.

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