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wbrisett

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01-28-2014 11:35 AM

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As I mentioned in couple of posts, I bought the Incra Wonderfence and router table top this Christmas to go with my table saw and Incra positioner.

I have done a few box joints, they went well. However, I hadn’t tackled dovetails yet. I spent time watching the whole video multiple times on doing dovetails and decided this Sunday to tackle that project. went to my stock pile of wood, pulled out a piece of 4/4 wood of unknown origin (came from a local sawyer and has a bunch of unknown origin woods in the pile). ;)

I decided I would do a small ¼ thick box just to see what happens. So I square up the wood and cut off a piece of wood that I would plane down to ¼”. However, after cutting it on the bandsaw it immediately curled like I hadn’t seen in quite some time. So, I decided I would simply plane the piece I had left over to ¾” and make do with that.

I changed out the dovetail, looked in the book and determined that dovetail ‘U’ was about right for what I was doing. After following along and getting the height set exactly right for the fit, I cut the tails and then the pins. However, what I ended up with was anything but a success story. In fact it’s a royal mess, way too much gap in all the pins and tails. It doesn’t even come close to resembling a dovetail joint. :(

I’m going to do my test using a ½” piece of wood and use the same template as they show in the video, so I can follow along. But if anybody has suggestions, please let me know.


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Gary

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#1 posted 01-28-2014 11:46 AM

Call th.em. They are good to help

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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MJCD

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#2 posted 01-28-2014 02:04 PM

Incra products are very good – I’m an Incra owner of both the Table Saw and Router fences, as well as the Wonderfence.

The dovetails do take a bit of practice; and I say this having done exactly what you’ve recently gone through. With practice, you can get dead-on dovetails. Mark Mueller, at Incra, is a master at this – he did their trade shows, when Incra did such things, and he’s one of the best customer service people I’ve encountered (he has the experience that so many lack.

MJCD

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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wbrisett

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#3 posted 01-28-2014 02:39 PM

Thanks. I’m going to give it a go in the next couple of days with 1/2 stock and follow the video and see what happens. If that doesn’t work, then I’ll give Mark a call if that doesn’t pan out. You’re spot on about customer service though. I sent an email to Sommerfeld tools regarding how to do something a couple of weeks ago and Marc Sommerfeld actually called me and gave me some very helpful hints. Amazing how often companies fail to understand the value in this. One of the reasons I give my business to Incra and Sommerfeld is due to their help and support.

Thanks guys.

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#4 posted 01-28-2014 06:23 PM

Sommerfeld is another class-act; as are his products. I use the his T & Grove system for cabinet joinery, as do others I know, and it’s excellent.

Marc has a long teaching history, and is a professional cabinet maker at heart. He’s the brother of Kreg Sommerfeld – Kreg Tools.

MJCD

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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#5 posted 01-29-2014 10:26 AM

MJCD, I had no idea that there was any connection between Kreg tools and Sommerfeld. After your post, I read some interesting articles about Marc and Craig. Very interesting (and cool). Ironic how both brothers have built tool companies (Kreg now being run by Craig’s son). Thanks!

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MJCD

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#6 posted 01-30-2014 02:23 PM

My guess is there’s a bit of sibling rivalry going on: Kreg Tools is a significant player in the Router Table/RT Accessories market – a big, profitable company, no doubt. Marc – as I’ve watched several of his excellent videos – comes across as an everyday nice guy who happens to be a dedicated cabinet maker, who happens to be an excellent teacher. His tools are first-rate, thoughtful – designed from the cabinetmaker’s perspective.

Sommerfeld Tools is a good-sized company, as well – they’d have to be, for router bit manufacturers to make cutters specifically for them, as well as router table tops, specialized jigs… I’ve call Sommerfeld Tools for advice on using their tools for various projects I’ve had (using their T&G setup for bookcases and blanket chests, for example). Marc has answered more than once – how is that possible?
MJCD

MJCD

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Steve

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#7 posted 01-30-2014 03:07 PM

I have been looking into the Incra router system but I always wondered if it was as easy as they make it look. I’m sure everything has it’s learning curve so please keep us posted on your success. As for Sommerfeld, they do make nice tools, I have several of their bits and my Dad has their router table.

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#8 posted 01-30-2014 03:10 PM

sounds like router bit height wasn’t set properly. do you have pics of your mishap?

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#9 posted 01-30-2014 03:12 PM

I haven’t done dove tail joints. But I have an Incra IBox and love it. Took a bit to set up properly, but was worth it all. I believe if you follow their procedures you will be fine.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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wbrisett

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#10 posted 01-30-2014 04:36 PM

PurplLev: I’ll see about taking some photos. But when I made the test dovtail and adjusted height so the dovetails were tight, I figured I had it down. I won’t have a chance before Saturday to do more tests, but I want to try using 1/2 stock and building a box like they use in the video. I’m hoping my results turn out OK. My box joints were fine, it’s just getting the hang of dovetails that I think is the issue at hand. And that may just be needed some additional practice.

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#11 posted 01-30-2014 05:47 PM

I also have the Incra table saw joinery setup, with the router table mounted in my saw and I really like it. I haven’t had time to try any dovetails yet but everything else that I have used to for has been spot on. I think it just takes a little practice to get it right with the dovetails because they are so height critical.

-- Earl

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#12 posted 02-01-2014 04:11 AM

I am in the same boat as you. I got the LS Positioner for my router table for Christmas and I tried dovetails as soon as I had it all installed and setup. And I too had the same experience as you did. I only used the written manual and after my abyssal failure I watched the video. There were things in the video not covered in the written material. I am going to attempt another try tomorrow and see if I can get a better result. The thing that irks me with this system is that they want you to plane the stock to the thickness of the of the dovetail bit height which is bass ackwards in my thinking.

-- "I work so I can fish"!

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wbrisett

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#13 posted 02-02-2014 10:45 AM

I’m happy to report that I was able to do the blind dovetail without any issues yesterday following the videos steps, step-by-step.

I’ll need to work on the through dovetails still, but at least got something that worked. ;)

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