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Forum topic by fumehappy posted 01-27-2014 09:04 PM 573 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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fumehappy

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01-27-2014 09:04 PM

Topic tags/keywords: stanley number 5 cracked plane stanley plane

So i was shifting through my “to do” pile the other day, and I plucked this guy from the wreckage. I started to clean up the sides, and lo and behold there was a crack. It lines up roughly with the mouth, and only goes up one side. The mouth has hairlines on both sides, as pictured. I know the resale value of the plane is basically dead at this point, but what about the user value? Is this the kind of crack that will worsen with regular and typical use, or only when you drop a sledgehammer on it? I believe it’s a type 9 with an overstock type 8 adjustment lever on the frog(or later surgical replacement). It was rusty as heck when I got it but she cleaned up real nice in the evaporust, and the sweetheart blade is in great shape.
Thanks!


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Nicholas Hall

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#1 posted 01-27-2014 09:23 PM

There are far more qualified folks here on than me to answer this question but I’ll give my 2 cents knowing they’ll chime in.

Cast iron will flex, and cast iron with crack in it will flex even more. A crack over the mouth is the worst possible place to have a crack. It may be a Jack but I think it’s smoothing days may be over. It may still serve well as a scrub plane with a cambered blade though, because you won’t sweat a little variation in cutting depth with this application. You might also keep an eye out for a plane body only on ebay for cheap.

I guess the real question is “how does it plane?”. If it still does a decent job, you might as well keep it around. If it does a lousy job, it still good for parts or a scrub plane.

Just my amateur 2 cents

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#2 posted 01-27-2014 09:27 PM

1)> Go to ebay, look for a new base fot the plane. Check out nhplaneparts.com, Eric just MIGHt have one.

You can either repair the rear handle/tote, or make a new one, or find a new set of handles on ebay.

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#3 posted 01-27-2014 09:28 PM

It’s also got a chunk missing from the driver’s side front corner, the mouth is rough and it’s missing a lot of japanning.
Number fives are plentiful (even early ones)
Find a new base, or save/sell the salvageable parts.

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Don W

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#4 posted 01-27-2014 09:31 PM

Unless you braze or weld it, the crack will keep going, and it will go quick on a jack. I have a 604 that was brazed, and it still re-broke.

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#5 posted 01-27-2014 09:37 PM

Also, do you already have other #5s? The parts could be used as donor parts for planes you don’t already have.

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#6 posted 01-27-2014 09:50 PM

Is that a beaded front knob on that #5? Hard to tell from the pic, but looks like one. Aren’t those from Type 5 or earlier planes? Not saying yours is a type 5, just the knob if it has such a bead.

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#7 posted 01-27-2014 09:51 PM

I was gonna offer you $5 plus shipping for it, but instead I’ll tell you to find a qualified stick welder that knows how to heat the metal.
It might cost you $10-$15 but if you make sure they use cast rod, you’ll be OK.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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bondogaposis

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#8 posted 01-27-2014 10:53 PM

I’d part it out, there’s more value in the parts than the body.

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fumehappy

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#9 posted 01-28-2014 10:16 PM

So i guess the consensus is that the crack will grow over time with normal use, and if i wanted to keep it for a user, it needs to be treated. Right now there is no movement in the crack at all. I’ve got a sweet little epoxy product called Hxtal. It’s mostly for glass repair and is very viscous, wicking into cracks. It does bond metal, so I’ll give that a shot, and see how it holds up. Worst thing that can happen is a major failure (which appears would happen anyways if not treated) and then I’ll seek out a new base.
Smitty, yes, that is a big ol balloon knob, but it’s cracked around the beaded base with some chunks missing. I’m gonna have to triage that along with the handle.
Thanks!
~Fumey

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Don W

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#10 posted 01-28-2014 10:31 PM

Let us know how the epoxy works. We’re always looking for the magic potion. In the mean time just keep looking for a replacement.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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