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Mainiac Matt

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216 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: amana age raised panel

Ordered these yesterday…

Fixin’ to do raised panels on daughter #2’s hope chest build.

There’s quite the spectrum out there for raised panel tooling, with set prices ranging from $35 to $235. These cost me $105 at Amazon. I think I may have been able to get buy with a $50 Chinese made set, but my daughter is going to be working with me, and I have seen broken carbide shoot across the shop several times at work. Always count my blessings that no one has been standing in the wrong spot when that happens.

A.G.E. is Amana’s new economy line. There’s not a lot of info out there on the router bit line yet, but the A.G.E. line saw blades get good reviews, and I’m trusting that Amana won’t put their name on junk. My best guess is that these are from Taiwan and are the same as Grizzly’s premium line, or Rockler’s self branded line.

For my limited use, I didn’t want to pony up ~$200 for CMT or Freud.

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!


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lightcs1776

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#1 posted 216 days ago

I’ll be following this as I would like to consider raised panels in the future …. way in the future.

-- Chris ** If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. — Tom Paine **

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DIYaholic

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#2 posted 216 days ago

Looks like you found a GOOD mid-range bit set.
I think this was a smart move, safety (& budget) wise….
Whether daughter (or others) are in your shop or not!!!

Looking forward to hearing about their performance….
& even more so, to seeing the finished project!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procratination a bad thing?

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CharlesNeil

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#3 posted 216 days ago

Matt,

Nice set of bits … I notice you have the set with the back cutter .. Go easy, these things are designed to cut it all at once. I have never had real good success that way .. even with my 3 hp routers. You are better off to remove the back cutter , reinstall the bearing, I have often used washers for spacers if needed, and get as close to the face profile as you can, then reinstall the back cutter. This really helps , alot , as you have removed a majority of the material, you will get cleaner , smoother and more precise cuts as well . Remember ..Sneak up on it .

Not to mention the excessive heat and stress on the cutter .

Here is a video I did on Raised Panels , it may help as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-q7dfMLxcY

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bugz

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#4 posted 216 days ago

Nice set, I have 2 sets of Freud bits, both with undercutter on panel cutter, on last set so doors I used hickory, thought I was going to have lots of problems. I powered right thur them in two passes. Always cut across grain first.

-- Bob, Lewistown, Montana. Kindness is the Language the blind can see and deaf can hear. - Mark Twain

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Mainiac Matt

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#5 posted 216 days ago

thanks for the tips Charles…. I wondered why the all didn’t come with a back cutter…. now I know.

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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Roger

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#6 posted 214 days ago

Look forward also to seeing the outcome.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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oldnovice

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#7 posted 211 days ago

Do these bits cut with the panel run horizontally (in a router table)?

The reason I ask is I have seen this type of cut made with the panel run vertically in a RT, with a smaller diameter bit at a higher RPM, and supposedly safer.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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knotscott

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#8 posted 211 days ago

Where are the AGE bits made? It should say somewhere on the package, the bits, or the instruction sheet. Their website clearly shows that the AGE saw blades are made in Germany, but lack of the same claim on the router bits makes me wonder….

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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cabmaker

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#9 posted 211 days ago

Old novice the set the op has acquired is for horizontal milling.

There are vertical panel raiser cutters that requires milling in a vertical feed position but I have never seen one for a router. Probably exist though.
JB

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ADHDan

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#10 posted 210 days ago

When I made raised panels with a similar bit set I hogged out a lot of the material with the table saw – set the blade to a fairly shallow angle and ran the board over it vertically with a tall auxiliary fence. I also kept the backcutter on, but I crept up on the bit horizontally using the router table fence, rather than vertically (by raising the router).

But there are a lot of ways to skin this cat, so do whatever feels most comfortable and safest to you. Have fun!

-- Dan in Minneapolis, woodworking since 11/11.

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bowedcurly

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#11 posted 210 days ago

make sure you run at about 10ooo rpm with a 3in bit, any carbide can fly off with all that centrifical force, or whatever the panel bit calls for, be safe and have fun

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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Mainiac Matt

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#12 posted 210 days ago

Well I have received, but not yet used the set. Mixed feelings.

All the marketing literature and web site info is very careful to make no statement of origin. I was hoping for Taiwain…. but the box says China :^(

They also make some to do about the coating, but as far as I can tell it’s simply painted on and is not any different than any of the other Chinese bits I have, and on the underside of the raised panel bit there are what appear to be finger smudges in it.

The carbide is nice and thick, but the grind on it is not super polished. Quite a few tooling marks.

I debated whether to try this set or get the Yonico (China made, named to sound Japanese) bits. The same three bit Yonico set was about $60 on Amazon, but the one I wanted with the back cutter was out of stock.

Before I ordered the Amana bits, I sent them an e-mail from work (we have a mill work division and I thought that might get their attention)..... two days later I got a reply that the e-mail could not be delivered.

So I’m not jumping for joy…. but this set was still less expensive than either the basic (green) or premium (purple) Grizzly, or the Rockler brand bits.

The proof will be in the putting, so they say. However, it will be several weeks before I’m ready to use them.

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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oldnovice

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#13 posted 210 days ago

cabmaker, here is a verticle panel cutter bit from Freud and these are two of a number of different profiles avalable from Freud … if you like Freud bits!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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Mainiac Matt

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#14 posted 209 days ago

I looked into vertical raised panel bits, and though there’s some debate, there’s also a pretty strong consensus that it’s safer to have the panel flat on the table. So if you’re using a horizontal router set up, the vertical raised panel bits would enable you to do this.

But if you choose to use the vertical router raised panel bits, I think you really NEED a tall fence.

The only advantage I saw in the vertical raised panel bits was that you could run them at a fast rpm, as the diameter (and therefore tip speed) is slower. The also appear to require less HP. So if you don’t have a boss VS router, this will enable you to do raised panels.

After smoking my dad’s hand me down 1 HP router 18 years ago trying to route deep mortises for a timber frame, I purchased a 3 HP variable speed beast, which I now have on a dedicated router table, so none of the horizontal raised panel “disadvantages” really applied to me.

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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oldnovice

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#15 posted 209 days ago

Matt, in about 1976 I was building an end table and in order to make some loose mortising cuts I made a horizontal router table! The mortises were into 4 quarter oak pieces 36” long on a previously cut miter face. Because the piece was heavy it was difficult to keep the mitered face flat on the table and even move it so I laid the router on its side.

I added a router mounting plate to the side of my TS and used the TS top for the work piece fence. On the plate I had one fixed mounting hole and one slotted mounting hole; I adjusted the height of the cutter by pivoting around the fixed mounting hole and tighten the screws when I had the proper height. I would post a picture but all I have are old film camera photos and I don’t have a working scanner at this time! “Like a charm it worked.”

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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