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gesshoom

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01-23-2014 12:35 AM

Topic tags/keywords: red oak mission tv console sketchup leaded glass

Hi All,

My current project: SketchUp design of a Mission TV Console. Features include leaded glass doors, arched rails, dovetailed drawer. To be built in red oak with hardwood legs, door frame, ply edging. Might add wood plugs at all front facing mortise/tenon joints. Color to be determined.

I added a center leg to prevent sagging, should this ever occur.

Is there anything I should consider specifically as it relates to TV consoles?

Thanks


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#1 posted 01-23-2014 01:12 AM

I like it.
I don’t know if you need a center leg. I think keeping a center leg hidden would be best.

BJ

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#2 posted 01-23-2014 01:37 AM

Nice design.

You want to make sure you have good air flow to keep electronics cool.

Don’t have anything blocking the face of the electronics so it doesn’t hinder the remote from working.

I would put another drawer so the little extra stuff doesn’t get left on shelves. Batteries, remotes, a few movies, extra cables, etc…

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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#3 posted 01-23-2014 01:56 AM

Overall, I find this to be very attractive design. However, to my eye the doors are a little too wide. It may be an illusion, but they seem to be wider than the central unit. I would either have all 3 sections the same width or even have the doors a bit narrower than the center section. FWIW

-- Art

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#4 posted 01-23-2014 02:03 AM

I like it. I was going to say no changes at all. Then I read Art’s comments. I think maybe he is right, if the doors were a tad narrower it might be perfect.
Nice design.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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gesshoom

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#5 posted 01-23-2014 03:30 AM

BJODay – The center leg should not be too apparent due to the arched rail floor clearance at the bottom of the front. Since the unit is 64 inches wide, I’m thinking the weight of the lumber and equipment will cause it to sag over time.

wseand – Thanks for the air flow tip, I will add ventilation holes in the back panel to help with that. The clear glass doors should be okay to host any other appliance that won’t be located in the center open area. Likely equipment I use seldom (VHS lol)

AandCStyle – I updated the 3 sections to be the same size. Looks better – thanks, but diagram makes them look somewhat different. Perhaps the door frames cause that illusion.

Pintodeluxe – agree !

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#6 posted 01-23-2014 05:05 AM

Nice design!

The center leg should not be necessary. I don’t think sag will be an issue.

A couple minor ideas to try in your Sketchup model:

1) Try increasing the size of the top just a little bit, maybe adding 1-1/2” to each side, so you get more of an overhang on the sides. Right now the top strikes me as visually undersized given the bulk of the cabinet as a whole.

2) The bottom rail comes very close to the ground. Try adding 1” to the bottom of the legs to lift the cabinet up just a bit and create just a bit more space under the cabinet, which will give the cabinet a lighter feel.

3) The doors are still visually overwhelming in proportion to the center. They may be the same size as the center, but visually it seems too much. If your AV equipment requires the side sections to be this large, then perhaps widen the cabinet so that you can have more space in the center.

4) The legs seem too thin given the visual mass of the cabinet, especially since they are right next to the door stiles that are significantly wider. Try increasing the width/depth of the legs so that they are at least the width of the stiles.

5) I like the way you have the arch in the top rail to match the bottom rail. However, the radius of the arch on the top rail looks smaller than the radius of the arch on the bottom rail. Maybe that’s an optical illusion in Sketchup. But if not, try making the arc of the top rail more gradual so that it matches the radius of the bottom rail.

6) Have you planned what goes on each shelf? I ask because media centers can easily look cluttered once you put the stuff in them. Here, every one of your eight shelves is visible, and it might look cluttered. Unless you have a lot of AV components that are controlled by infrared remote such that you need the glass, you might consider solid door panels. I think the glass probably looks better when the cabinet is empty, but solid might look better once you have stuff on those shelves.

I look forward to seeing your progress!

-- Kelby

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#7 posted 01-23-2014 05:07 AM

On more thought: If you really want a “center leg,” skip the one leg and add two (two in the front, and two in the back) that are right next to the inside edge of the doors.

-- Kelby

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#8 posted 01-23-2014 05:55 PM

Kelby,

Thanks for the feedback! Good stuff. I’ll try some of these suggestions in Sketchup and will repost updated drawings shortly.

Really appreciate you taking the time to provide the feedback.
Cheers

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#9 posted 01-23-2014 06:05 PM

If the doors still don’t look right, try making 2 narrow doors on each side.

-- Matt, Mississippi

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#10 posted 01-23-2014 06:27 PM

Only a small point, but don’t underengineer the holes in the back for the cords. You’ll love yourself more if you just give yourself a lot of room back there.

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#11 posted 01-23-2014 08:25 PM

Hi guys, see my replies within brackets below:

Nice design!
The center leg should not be necessary. I don’t think sag will be an issue.
A couple minor ideas to try in your Sketchup model:
1) Try increasing the size of the top just a little bit, maybe adding 1-1/2” to each side, so you get more of an overhang on the sides. Right now the top strikes me as visually undersized given the bulk of the cabinet as a whole.

(Am limited to adding 1 inch due to restricted area where console is going. But by making the legs thicker as suggested in suggestion #4, the top seems to not have changed much proportionally.)

2) The bottom rail comes very close to the ground. Try adding 1” to the bottom of the legs to lift the cabinet up just a bit and create just a bit more space under the cabinet, which will give the cabinet a lighter feel.

(I like the lift it created.)

3) The doors are still visually overwhelming in proportion to the center. They may be the same size as the center, but visually it seems too much. If your AV equipment requires the side sections to be this large, then perhaps widen the cabinet so that you can have more space in the center.

(Need to think more about this one.)

4) The legs seem too thin given the visual mass of the cabinet, especially since they are right next to the door stiles that are significantly wider. Try increasing the width/depth of the legs so that they are at least the width of the stiles.

(I made the legs the same width as the door frame and find that the doors seem less imposing. What do you think?)

5) I like the way you have the arch in the top rail to match the bottom rail. However, the radius of the arch on the top rail looks smaller than the radius of the arch on the bottom rail. Maybe that’s an optical illusion in Sketchup. But if not, try making the arc of the top rail more gradual so that it matches the radius of the bottom rail.

(Done. Agree looks more balanced.)

6) Have you planned what goes on each shelf? I ask because media centers can easily look cluttered once you put the stuff in them. Here, every one of your eight shelves is visible, and it might look cluttered. Unless you have a lot of AV components that are controlled by infrared remote such that you need the glass, you might consider solid door panels. I think the glass probably looks better when the cabinet is empty, but solid might look better once you have stuff on those shelves.

(Glass doors are a wifey requirement – I won’t go there (lol). They will provide a peek into collectibles my wife has gathered.)

I look forward to seeing your progress!
—Kelby

On more thought: If you really want a “center leg,” skip the one leg and add two (two in the front, and two in the back) that are right next to the inside edge of the doors.

(Would these legs be behind the rail or would they intersect it? Awaiting your feedback.)

—Kelby

If the doors still don’t look right, try making 2 narrow doors on each side.

(This would be an option, but my wife wanted leaded glass doors to show off some collectibles she hates to dust.)

—MBD

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#12 posted 01-23-2014 09:15 PM

Big improvement! The bigger legs and extra lift on the bottom in particular make a huge difference.

On the center legs issue: here’s a link to a Thorsen house sideboard reproduced by Darrell Peart, and I think it does a nice job adding two additional legs to the interior of the cabinet. I would envision these legs sitting to the inside of your existing doors. In fact, you could shrink the doors enough to accommodate the legs, which may achieve the goal of making the doors more proportionate to the rest of the piece.

http://furnituremaker.com/greenesideboard.htm

I don’t believe the added legs will be necessary, but if you want them, this might be a nice approach.

Here’s another idea that I think could really help tone down the mass of the doors without changing the dimensions of the center section or the left or right shelves. Right now, the doors overlay the vertical panels on the sides of the center section. They also appear to overlay the rail at the top of the center section (or at least they are proud of that rail). Instead, expose the vertical panels that are to the left and the right of the center section, and maybe even add solid wood vertical stiles to cover those panel edges. Extend and expose that top rail all the way across the cabinet, so that you can see it stretching from one leg to the other. Then inset the doors so that they fit below the top rail and to the outside of those vertical stiles that you add to the vertical panels. By doing this, you will maintain the dimensions of the left/right/center sections, but you will make the doors smaller and more proportionate overall. Also, I think you’ll find that having those doors a little recessed and inset relative to the top apron and the center section will make the piece more elegant.

With that said, it’s already a great looking design as is!

-- Kelby

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#13 posted 01-23-2014 09:20 PM

One more thing about my suggestion: If you extend that top rail so it is visible all the way to each leg, and you inset the doors, then EITHER:

1) The top of your doors will have to be arched to match your arched upper rail, or

2) You’ll need to make the top rail straight rather than arched (at least in the areas where the doors are).

I suspect the best look might be to maintain the arch in the center section, but make that top rail straight where the doors are, so that the doors remain square. But arched tops on the doors might be interesting too.

-- Kelby

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#14 posted 01-23-2014 09:24 PM

BTW, make sure to save your existing design, because you might decide that this latest round of suggestions from me make it worse!

-- Kelby

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#15 posted 01-24-2014 12:37 AM

Looking good. You are really zeroing in on perfection.

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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