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Forum topic by jumbojack posted 01-20-2014 03:00 AM 1584 views 0 times favorited 28 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-20-2014 03:00 AM

It is high time for this site to fire the owners son as lead programmer and hire one that can fix this travesty. It is getting worse.

-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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#1 posted 01-20-2014 03:21 AM

So . . . . . that’s the problem ? Sounds good to me.

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected !

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#2 posted 01-20-2014 03:46 AM

This is a free website. It’s OK to politely point out problems. To get rude about it Ain’t cool. There are many other woodworking forums on the internet if you can’t wait.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#3 posted 01-20-2014 03:52 AM

I’m patiently waiting.

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected !

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#4 posted 01-20-2014 04:04 AM

Okay, this one got my attention. I have not had any problems with the site, but maybe I’ve just been lucky. I’m curious to know what types of things need to be improved.

-- There are good ships and there are wood ships, the ships that sail the sea, but the best ships are friendships and may they always be.

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#5 posted 01-20-2014 04:40 AM

Jerry – The site has apparently developed some technical problems over the past two days. The home page is all out of sorts. Extra ads are now displayed under/within each of the opening posts in the forums. The zoom feature no longer functions properly on the projects postings. The forums page now displays the full post instead of the short teaser that it used to be. Some people are having problems with their posts not posting, posting to the wrong thread, or double posting. And some people are reporting that the site doesn’t respond to the back button when they try to go to the previous page.

-- Tom Finnigan - Measures? We don't need no stinking measures! - Hmm, maybe thats why my project pieces don't fit.

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#6 posted 01-20-2014 05:19 AM

The site is free and I appreciate that,but I am having the same issues as tefinn. Hopefully it will get back as it was.

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#7 posted 01-20-2014 08:04 AM

Being an amateur web developer, I can offer some insight and some hope for a quick resolution.

Here is the problem:

Oftentimes websites like Lumberjocks are built using pre-existing packages called CMS ( Content Management Systems ). These are PHP frameworks that are built by online communities consisting of thousands of developers who donate their time and coding in the original spirit of programming, IE open source, or FREE software, free exchange of knowledge for the betterment of mankind.

There are very few coders in the world who could single-handedly build a CMS as complex as Lumberjocks. It is more than likely the result of a large community of developers all contributing to a common cause, so fixing the foundation, the framework that Lumberjocks is built on, will necessarily be the result of a group effort by these developers.

The other component of this is the hosting companies running server farms where websites such as this one reside.

Upgrades to server software is oftentimes driven by security issues, so if a hosting company discovers that the software that is the backbone of their company is putting their company and clients at risk, they will institute upgrades.

Frequently these upgrades “break” open source and even proprietary PHP frameworks that were built to be compatible with older server software.

When this happens, the community of thousands that built the CMS has to respond by re-coding their framework to make it compatible with upgrades at the hosting company.

This can take time, sometimes a lot more than everybody would like. I might be completely wrong about this, but my bet is that the person responsible for this website is anxiously awaiting an upgrade to the CMS that Lumberjocks is running on. When that becomes available, he or she or they will no doubt update this whole site as soon as they are able.

This can be very tricky, in that sometimes the sql database that contains all of the historical data and content of this site may need to be updated as well.

Having personally gone through several such forced upgrades, and currently facing no less than 5 forced upgrades to all of my Joomla based sites, I can tell you it’s no simple thing, and the risk is significant.

This is a community, hearts minds and souls have gone into this site for years. If I were having to upgrade the PHP framework for this site, I would be, in a word, terrified.

You only get one chance, or Lumberjocks is gone.

Maybe this information will help to assuage the members a little. I have utmost confidence that a fix is on the way. It just may take some time.

So let’s do what woodworkers do. Get on with the project at hand and be good to each other.

-- There are good ships and there are wood ships, the ships that sail the sea, but the best ships are friendships and may they always be.

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#8 posted 01-20-2014 12:03 PM

With all the idiot hackers out there, it seems like there are more & more problems with all these electronics. I say, lets find the hackers and string em up.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed.

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#9 posted 01-20-2014 12:43 PM

@Roger:”lets find the hackers and string em up.” I’m with you along with I-D theft. Make it a mandatory 25 years in prison and a lot of this would stop. It’s getting totally out of hand.

-- Life is good.

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#10 posted 01-20-2014 01:34 PM

I really, really hate when it gets out of hand. Time to use the rosin bag.

-- Art, Pittsburgh.

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#11 posted 01-20-2014 04:23 PM

Jerry, thank you for your informed insight. Some of my comments may have been taken as harsh. I am truly grateful for this and other websites like it that are free to the users. My somewhat uneducated comments were not so much criticism as a weak attempt at humor.


-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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#12 posted 01-20-2014 06:12 PM

Jumbojack, I agree with you even though Jerry’s explanation is a good attempt at describing the issue the site is NOT working properly, i.e. the ZOOM function for one.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#13 posted 01-20-2014 07:04 PM

Thanks for that post Jerry. A very interesting read and I’m as un-tec as you’ll meet.
I have noticed some of the aforementioned problems & I really hope LJ’s is not in bother.
It’s a great site.

-- A family man has photos in his wallet where his money used to be.

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#14 posted 01-20-2014 07:47 PM

I truly do understand how you feel. Ads can be quite intrusive at times, but unfortunately it simply isn’t free to create and maintain a quality forum community. It can actually be pretty expensive. The money to pay for that has to come from somewhere. No matter where we go online these days, we are going to see advertisements, even your local news or social media site. It is what keeps the sites free to the users.

The key here is finding a balance that will meet the needs of everyone. I want to assure you that we are listening to you and brainstorming ways to find solutions.

Additionally, the guys are actively working to correct any tech issues as quickly as possible.

-- Community Manager

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#15 posted 01-20-2014 08:10 PM

i think we need to display some patience, a lot of woodworkers have this ability, and just go into slow mode and say ahhhh, it will all be fine….others throw the hammer at there project and smash it….lol…i bet those who run this website would rather us be a bit patient….

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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