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Forum topic by ScottKaye posted 01-19-2014 05:39 PM 652 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ScottKaye

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01-19-2014 05:39 PM

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Im in the middle of building much needed shoe racks for the garage as it seems its the place that collects most of the household shoes. With my wife and both of my daughters into equestrian you can only imagine the clutter and dirt thats gets tracked into the garage. Hence the shoe racks. I based my plans on a fellow LJ previous build here.
I drew up a sketchup plan and originally had the stretchers laying horizontilly/flat. They are cut out of poplar and are 3/4” x 1” by about 40” long as I need them to hold about 5 pairs of shoes/boots each. I did a quick layout of the stretchers against the sides and it occured to me that if If I place the stretchers horizontally on the 1” side and vertically on the 3/4” side (hope that makes sense) that I may get some sagging in the middle as the shelf the stretchers make up will only be 3/4” thick. I could gain some extra strength by reversing the orientation and making the stretcher shelf 1” thick but to me it doesnt look as smooth as having the 3/4” thick stretcher shelves. I attached some pictures of the 2 different mockups sitting side by side and would love to hear your comments. note the stretchers will be raised about 3/4” higher up on the sides to accomodate a 1/2” tall x 8” wide arc cut out. Also I didnt mention that I am using mortice and tenon joints to attach the stretchers. So I sort of need to make up my mind now on the orientation of the stretchers because Im at the point in the project where its time to cut the mortices.


(those open mortise and tenon joints took a lot longer than I expected to get just right but it was worth it as they turned out nice)

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#1 posted 01-19-2014 06:11 PM

On edge looks better and certainly is stronger. Cutting the arc, if I understand that, will make them weaker.

How about clamping up a mockup of 4 or 5 pieces and letting the boots sit on it for a couple days?

Kindly,

Lee

-- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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#2 posted 01-19-2014 06:24 PM

Thanks for the replay Lee. Im definetely leaning towards flipping them on edge. The arc is being cut on the bottom (thicker piece) leg of the side frames to for asthetics and to allow the bottoms to act as feet.

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#3 posted 01-19-2014 06:28 PM

Scott, I agree with Lee, make sure to crown the boards before you cut the tenons. And, Happy LJ Anniversary!

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#4 posted 01-19-2014 07:53 PM

+1 that 40” is too long of a span for them to lay flat.

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#5 posted 01-19-2014 08:00 PM

One more vote for placing on edge or,make two 20”units or add a center support.

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#6 posted 01-19-2014 10:05 PM

Jim’s comment inspired me to imagine spacer blocks: two in the first gap, dividing the open space in thirds, one centered in the next, alternating thereafter. I think it would be a nice, subtle, craftsmanlike feature and certainly would add visual strength.

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Kindly,

Lee

-- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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#7 posted 01-19-2014 11:03 PM

I have thought about adding spacer blocks. I even worked out how I would do the the round over with the router as I had planned on pre routing all the stretchers pior to assembly. I was just going to leave the area where the blocks were going to go un-routed and install the blocks after everything was together. Then come back and finish rounding over the remaing parts.

-- "Nothing happens until you build it"

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#8 posted 01-19-2014 11:06 PM

Nailbanger – thanks for the aniversary shout out. I noticed earlier today that my 1 year is coming up tomorrow! Time flies.

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#9 posted 01-20-2014 11:39 PM


got the mortices cut and aligned vertically.


matching tenons. nice snug fit


dry fit. one side not fully inserted.


Still need to cut the last mortice to accomodate a stretcher higher up to act as a brace

Im still mulling over the idea of using blocking in between the stretchers. Even with the stretchers tipped over on the 1” side, there is some flex in the middle of the assembly. but hey.. its a shoe rack!

Scott

-- "Nothing happens until you build it"

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#10 posted 01-24-2014 05:17 AM

Hey Scott, that looks great. Much more refined than mine. The spans are a bit long for my tastes, but shoes are light so I don’t think they’ll be tested much. God stuff, looking forward to the next installment!

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#11 posted 01-24-2014 05:33 AM

To be honest, laying flat would be just fine.

I made one at a similar size and I had 1/2×1” at about 50”, joined with simple dados, after 2 years I had no sag. Was made of spruce.

So unless all of you guys walk around with steelcapped working boots and hiking boots, which you all put there, you wouldn’t have a problem. But seeing your last post I think I am late to the party. :)

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#12 posted 01-24-2014 11:29 AM

Douglas – thanks for the comment. I decided to make the rack 39” in between sides as that is about as narrow as I can make the rack and still get 5 pairs of shoes on the rack. Did I mention that there is about 20 paris of shoes/boots scattered about the garage! I also made the racks taller, 12” than yours to accomodate the numerous pairs of snow, muck and riding boots that my three ladys seem to have accumulated. Work is slow at this point as its only about 39 degrees in the shop and my little one has been home all week since the county has seen fit to cancel school all week long. I’ll post the completed project when its done.

-- "Nothing happens until you build it"

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