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Forum topic by Farrell posted 01-19-2014 12:07 PM 1390 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Farrell

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01-19-2014 12:07 PM

Hi all,

I am looking for some help. I have recently acquired a Stanley Bedrock No 5, but I am having a issue where the plane iron is not protruding evenly from the mouth of the plane, even though, the iron has been ground square and the frog is square to the sole. I understand that this can usually be corrected via the lateral adjustment, but the protrusion seems to still be favoring one side even when the lateral adjustment is used.

There is not too much evidence that this plane has been modified or worked on very much, is it possible that the sole has been worn in such a way that it is thinner on one side and therefore causing the blade to protrude more in this area?

I am interested in all thoughts on this problem.

Thank you.


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Loren

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#1 posted 01-19-2014 12:48 PM

Remove the frog and check for debris. Reinstall it. The chipbreaker
has to be mounted on the iron with the edges aligned. Check
the iron edge with an accurate square.

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Don W

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#2 posted 01-19-2014 01:04 PM

Some pictures may help as well.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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sikrap

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#3 posted 01-19-2014 02:46 PM

Pics will definitely help and Loren’s tips are good too, but I’d also check to make sure the sides of the plane are square to the sole. That should take about 5 seconds. If that is the problem, it may or may not be repairable. If that’s not the problem, its almost gotta be something easy.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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Don W

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#4 posted 01-19-2014 02:56 PM

Dave, I’m probably going to owe you a beer, but I’m going to challenge your theory a bit. If I understand what you’re saying, If the frog is square and the mouth is square (and the mouth wasn’t mentioned I know) then the sides being off would be of no consequence unless its used for shooting would be my thought..

I agree its almost got to be something simple. There is not that much to it. Could the sole be uneven enough? I’ve never seen it, but suppose its possible?

Something has to be out of square. (said very sheepishly)

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poopiekat

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#5 posted 01-19-2014 02:59 PM

” I have recently acquired a Stanley Bedrock No 5,”

Hmmm, is it a #5, or a #605?

Sounds like a plane made of spare parts.

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Don W

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#6 posted 01-19-2014 03:14 PM

Wow, and you’re the only one to pick up on the obvious poopiekat!! Dave said it was something simple.

So we’re back to “pictures will help”.

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DocBailey

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#7 posted 01-19-2014 03:25 PM

Allow me to further muddy the waters …

The earliest Bedrocks are not numbered with 600 series model numbers.
They have simple, “Bailey” series numbers (2-8)

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Farrell

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#8 posted 01-19-2014 03:35 PM

Sorry that was sloppy on my part, its a 605. I will follow up with pictures later today if I get some shop time.

There’s nothing outwardly demonstrating it has been made of spare parts. At a minimum the parts are consistent with the plane type, e.g., it has the proper adjustable frog for a BR series.

Pictures to follow.

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poopiekat

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#9 posted 01-19-2014 03:49 PM

DocBailey: Shucks, shame on me!! I’ve never enjoyed the rarified air of pre-1900 Bedrocks. Good call, Doc!!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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DocBailey

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#10 posted 01-19-2014 03:55 PM

PK:
No shame involved—yours was a perfectly good question, given the info.

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Farrell

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#11 posted 01-20-2014 04:12 PM

Just an update, for those who are curious. I was able to correct the problem by adjusting the frog with the blade held in place. For some reason, the frog must not have been bedding itself properly.

I also think part of the problem was that the frog was generally too far back, and keeping the mouth tighter has my blade in the proper position. I had previously set it fairly far back to do use for scrubbing a board across the grain.

The problem was likely sheer amateurism, haha.

One more question though, suppose I wanted to utilize a thicker blade such as a Hock in this standard Bedrock 605, would it necessarily require opening the mouth? Said differently, would I be able to set the frog back far enough to accommodate the thickness and not have to worry about the bevel making contact in front of the frog?

At any rate, thanks for your responses.

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Don W

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#12 posted 01-20-2014 05:22 PM

I never replace a cutter unless its completely unusable for some reason, but I’ve put a Hock in a #5 1\2 and a 604 and they have worked with out modifications.

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Tim

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#13 posted 01-20-2014 07:23 PM

For the love of all that is bedrock, please don’t file the mouth of a Bedrock. This is a jack size, but still. The bedrock frog should hold the iron well enough that you really shouldn’t need an aftermarket iron anyway.

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sikrap

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#14 posted 01-20-2014 10:25 PM

Don, I asked about the sides being square to the sole because a lot of guys use the side as a reference when they’re trying to flatten a sole. If the side isn’t square to the sole and you’re pushing the side up against some sort of fence, its only going to make the sole worse. Other than that, I agree that squareness of the sides/sole would have no affect on the iron protrusion.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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Don W

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#15 posted 01-20-2014 10:38 PM

makes sense Dave. Ready for cold?

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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