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Forum topic by Medickep posted 01-15-2014 08:18 PM 1152 views 0 times favorited 58 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-15-2014 08:18 PM

Topic tags/keywords: resource dust deputy dust collection shop vac

After using my DD fir awhile I’m discovering my setup is not working. I feel I have less power, now that I’ve put in more gates. My theory was that only shop vac hose needed, would be drafted on.

I expected my bandsaw and drill press to not work well as they are 20 feet away from the shop vac and DD.

but my TS and router are right next to them and I still have a ton of sawdust to clean up. I have a gate towards the two tools and than a gate for each one.

Is the dust deputy only good for mobile use and not stationary use? My 25 gallon drum is sealed very tight too!

At this point I’m considering a big dust collector!

Any help would be appreciated!!

Here’s some picks of the setup near the TS and router!

-- Keith


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#1 posted 01-15-2014 08:56 PM

I would not be able to advise you , as I only use the single stage collectors one bag below and a filterbag above. I have the heavy duty three motor type smaller ones which can be used with one or two or three motorsit looks like yours but find them far to noisy to be practical, although they are powerufl and suck the dust well. I would think maybe your expecting a lot from your little vac. If it were me I would reccomend something a bit bigger I have in my shop three single stage two horse power extractors and use blast gates they work well but maybe someone with more knowledge of that ridgid collector could help more. Alistair

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#2 posted 01-15-2014 09:09 PM

A couple things to look at there…

You have a T- intersection at the router table. T-fittings will cause a lot of friction and therefore reduce dust collection significantly.

A second problem is that you have the same size hose going into the t-fitting as going out. Only so much air can pass through a hose of given diameter. If you have 120cfm going though the single hose leading to the cyclone, you can only have 60cfm going through each of the two hoses going from the router to the t-fitting.

The shop vac is also way under-powered for a stationary system. You need a dust collector with a 2HP motor or larger to start seeing serious results. Anything smaller needs to be used with short, straight runs of pipe to get good results.

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#3 posted 01-15-2014 09:15 PM

JAAune-

The T came with a Keen router table dust collection kit I purchased, I did think about replacing it as I knew the T could be bad. It just seemed like it should work better than it is. My neighbor might be selling is Grizzly DC, so I might have to go that route if I can’t get this to work!

I could try two shop vacs first though!

-- Keith

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#4 posted 01-15-2014 09:41 PM

The only thing I can think to possibly salvage my system is to raise it up, so it’s closer to the height of the DD input. Shorten the hose between the shop vac and the DD. An check all of my connections AGAIN! And I suppose consider changing the T in the purchased router dust collection system by Keen.

-- Keith

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#5 posted 01-15-2014 09:55 PM

Try by-passing the DD and hook the shop vacuum directly to the lines … then see what kind of suction you get.

Just a WAG on my part, but I think you are asking way too much of the DD and 2 1/2” shop vacuum hose.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#6 posted 01-15-2014 11:18 PM

TheDane-

I think you’re right too. I may have to look into this:

My neighbor is selling it for a “fair” price, but mentioned 300 dollars. Also includes a lot of 4” rigid duct as well as some fittings and what not. It has a device to turn to knock the dust off of the filter, which he says is good for life but he cleans in annually???? It was quieter than my shop vac!

-- Keith

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#7 posted 01-15-2014 11:26 PM

That might be decent way to go.

I have a smaller Jet DC (DC-650A) used in conjunction with a Super DD ( http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3242 ) ... works great, but I have to drag the hose from machine to machine.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#8 posted 01-15-2014 11:38 PM

Any reason one of these wouldn’t work with the regular DD?

Is yours not powerful enough to leave stationary?

Thanks,

-- Keith

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#9 posted 01-16-2014 12:14 AM

IMHO a 650cfm duct collector isn’t powerful enough for a plumbed system. I bought the Super DD so I would have some flexibility in the future (e.g. replacing the DC-650A with a more powerful machine like the DC-1100, the HF 2hp DC, etc.).

The DD you have was designed to be used with shop vacuums … I suppose it would ‘work’ (I am not a dust collection expert by any means), but I don’t think the results would be anywhere close to satisfactory.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#10 posted 01-16-2014 12:49 AM

I’ll have to check with them. I thought it was the same size just steel.

-- Keith

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#11 posted 01-16-2014 01:30 AM

My 2 cents..

The shop vac will always have its purpose, and for me its cleaning up the shop, the floor, etc. It just dosnt have the power to handle a table saw or router. I also like it for nails etc concrete off the floor, something I DONT want my DC impeller dealing with.

I had a setup like yours, but when I upgraded to a real DC the difference was amazing. I also have a dust deputy and I built a cart for it and my shop vac. It will always have its uses, but for pure dust and chip collection, I turn to my dust collector. You might want to upgrade. Your table saw is nicer then mine, you deserve a proper DC. :)

-- "despite you best efforts and your confidence that your smarter and faster than a saw blade at 10k rpm…. your not …." - Charles Neil

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#12 posted 01-16-2014 01:47 AM

TBW-

Thanks for you’re input. I believe you’re right. I just wish I wouldn’t have talked myself out of a larger DC. I’m sure all of my small HD trips equaled what this guy wants for his DC.

-- Keith

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#13 posted 01-16-2014 01:52 AM

yeah, you’re probably right, and Ive been there myself. That does look like a decent unit, but if its 600 ish CFMs id go bigger if you can. The nice filter and the ducting is great though, probably worth the value of the collector itself.

I bought a 1HP unit, 825 CMFs and then went and spent just as much money again getting a dustright hose and all the fittings ect for my tools. For 1 tool at a time, it works great for me. If I could get a bigger unit of course I would, but money dosnt grow on trees and Ive got a large wishlist. A 2-3 Hp unit with all 6 inch runs would be a few grand, and Ive got a cabinet saw to buy.

-- "despite you best efforts and your confidence that your smarter and faster than a saw blade at 10k rpm…. your not …." - Charles Neil

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#14 posted 01-16-2014 02:18 AM

Well, he had the manual on it and it said 1100 CFM, which I assumed would be good enough. The router and the TS, which are together are the main issues for the dust.

I’ve read some articles that state 5” metal duct is the “sweet” spot, but I’ll have to look into this more if I get it. I’m assuming I would reduce right at the tool.

The duct he was going to include was a ton of 4” or 5” (not sure) of hard plastic duct, which was smooth on the inside and rigid on the outside. The same looking stuff in flex going to the tools.

The funny thing is I had him tun it on and A: in was very quiet (compared to min SV) and the draw on it was great, especially after I realized he didn’t open the gate!! (he’s 92!)

Maybe it would be a steal at 250, I hate to lowball a nice old guy!

-- Keith

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#15 posted 01-16-2014 10:57 AM

I would grab all of that in a heartbeat for 300 bro. Make yourself a thein separator and your good to go. Trust me youll spend a lot more then that on new stuff.

I would not recommend ducting all of your machines at once with this though. Have everything set up and walk a rockler dustright hose to each tool. Pain in the ass yes, but I think youll need a 3-5HP (1800-2000 CFMs) unit to fully duct out a shop, having nothing to do but open a blast gate and still have good results.

If you do go this route I just did the same thing not long ago and would be happy to share pics, I have a miter saw, 2 table saws, my router, my belt sander, planer and my drill press all hooked up. The rockler hose is like a slinky, so it stores away nicely when not in use.

-- "despite you best efforts and your confidence that your smarter and faster than a saw blade at 10k rpm…. your not …." - Charles Neil

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