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Joseph Jossem

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94 days ago

Aloha fellow lumber jocks

After being in business for 17 years i can say be very very carefull when doing work for “friends”.This last two months I was burned on more then 12k worth in work.Left me in a bad situation currently.I have known both these peoiple for a while and both are multi millionaires.Thats another topic as the richer they are seems the less respect they have for people.Made me take a real look at myself and next time a so called friend want something they can go jump off a cliff f off.. Seems like now adays everybodies out to stab each other in the back great times were living in!


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knotscott

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#1 posted 94 days ago

Bummer…..not a friend, just someone you’ve known a while.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Fish22

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#2 posted 94 days ago

Not sure what the laws are where you live, but can’t you file a contractors lien against them for the work? It already sounds like the “friendship” is over.

-- Fish 22, South River, NJ

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Joseph Jossem

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#3 posted 94 days ago

Yeah for 10 plus years they are users not friends i see now.Im to nice of a person changed that this year now I see everybody as a potential thief!

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PurpLev

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#4 posted 94 days ago

they are not multi millionaires for nothing…

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Joseph Jossem

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#5 posted 94 days ago

I have nothing and trying to collect money from a millionaire is next to impossible legally not worth the costs involved.I made complaints to rico the tax office and board of health it will catch up to them as they are doing illegal business.

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dawsonbob

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#6 posted 94 days ago

I don’t know whether this is applicable to woodworking, or not. I was a freelance advertising artist for over thirty years, and I learned to do it this way: They pay me one third when I accept the job, one third when they okay the rough drawing, and the final third when the job is done, but before final delivery. Did you catch the “before final delivery” part? I learned this the hard way and, yes, it applies to working for friends, too.

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Joseph Jossem

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#7 posted 94 days ago

yup thas how the rich stay rich!

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mds2

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#8 posted 94 days ago

Sue them. Period. 12k would be worth it to me.

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Joseph Jossem

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#9 posted 94 days ago

I have set contracts but when dealing with a so called friend I expected different.Some people have no problem lying and cheating its second nature to them.I was raised different

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bigblockyeti

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#10 posted 94 days ago

I’ve been in situations where I think this kind of thing could have happened to me, as a preemptive measure, I will usually offer a “friendly” contract to be signed before work begins. The idea of having a “friend” agree to a contract has to be approached very delicately, so as to maintain the “friendship” while also letting them know you will in fact be compensated for what work is being done. There are far too many variables involved in any one certain relationship to figure out exactly how this can/should be done, but suffice to say it’s likely to vary from person to person.

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dawsonbob

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#11 posted 94 days ago

I let friends, charities and businesses know that I make art for a living. If you want me to come flip burgers at your picnic, I may donate my time. But art (now woodworking) is a business, and I expect to be paid. Period.

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darthford

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#12 posted 94 days ago

The problem is the rich can sue you right back and then what.

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exelectrician

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#13 posted 94 days ago

Electrical contractor for thirty plus years. I used this tactic more than once, step into the the business where the guy who owes you money and politely tell the receptionist you are NOT leaving until you get paid in full. Settle down and read the magazines and walk around with a pleasant demeanor, do not take a cell phone with you, no distractions until you get paid.
This worked for me, I even got money out of a suspected arsonist!

-- Love thy neighbour as thyself

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Loren

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#14 posted 94 days ago

I feel for you. I have been screwed by so-called “friends” as well.

However… I do counsel you to take a deep breath and consider
how to go about collecting at least a portion of what you’re
owed.

There are books with collection letters in them. It’s no good
threatening legal action against these people clearly, but
by sending collection letters for the next 24 month at least,
you may manage to appeal to their better nature or
embarrass the individual in front of a spouse to the extent
that they pay you. It may be a long shot but at least it’s
pro-active and won’t put you out more than the cost of
postage.

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Joseph Jossem

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#15 posted 94 days ago

loren thats what im doing with monthly late fees.electiron guy i tired that once with the dfs in waikiki they still owe me from 1999.They had security escort me out still havent been paid on that one thats DFS the major chain with real deep pockets…

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