Try to super tune my 2 old planes or buy 1 new?

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Forum topic by FlaMick posted 01-14-2014 04:18 AM 1099 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-14-2014 04:18 AM

I have a #4 and #5 Baileys that are good users but tired, they need new irons and chip breakers (PM-V11? I understand I ma have to open mouths to install these?)I’ve got most of the rust off but there is some bad japanning n spots. Replacing the plastic totes would be nice too. Overall a good amount of work, may be more then I can handle right now
I guess in addition to something that will work great and help me learn to use a plane I want a tool thatwould look nice on the bench also. They other choice would be a LN low angle Jack. I can only afford to do this once.

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#1 posted 01-14-2014 04:28 AM

Screw pretty, use ugly! That’s how I view things in my shop. Just get new irons and chip breakers and file that mouth open a little. I feel like there are a couple double entendres involved in this post.

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#2 posted 01-14-2014 04:36 AM

I’ve got most of the rust off but there is some bad japanning n spots.
Loss of japanning? Well cr@p you might as well throw them out now they are ruined. I hate it when that happens. I feel your pain – I had to leave a 2013 Silverado pickup at the dump because it had chips in the paint. I had the first wife put to sleep when she started sagging around the middle.

Replacing the plastic totes would be nice too.
Plastic totes? Rule #1 is you don’t buy a plane with plastic totes.

I guess in addition to something that will…help me learn to use a plane
There isn’t a plane on the market today that will teach you how to use itself. If you’re using a plane and a little voice comes out of it saying “Not so deep with the iron please” or “Stop squeezing my knob so hard” then it’s time to open the windows and air out the fumes in the workshop.

I want a tool thatwould look nice on the bench also… I can only afford to do this once.
How about a nice vintage (meaning no plastic) #4 smoother or #5 jack, and an inexpensive but tasteful centerpiece – daffodils are in this year – for the workbench?

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#3 posted 01-14-2014 05:13 AM

The best way to understand planes and how they work is to take an old one and get her running and tuned up.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#4 posted 01-14-2014 07:09 AM

if you are really willing to learn how to use a plane, spend some time restoring the ones that you already have. The best way to learn a tool. Getting a new blade and chip breaker won’t break the bank (compare to a LN). Is LN just for the prestige to say I have a LN?
If you really do not want to keep your old planes, send them to me.

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#5 posted 01-14-2014 01:03 PM

Well, some of the responses are interesting.

You can save some cash by restoring those oldies. If I did it again, I would have saved and bought LNs sooner. They are ready to go and wonderful to work with. If you can afford one, I really doubt you’ll regret that purchase.

Also, having a really nice, well-tuned plane to reference from will help to learn how planes can and should work. I think there’s something to say for that. Wish you well, Red

-- "At the end of the day, try and make it beautiful....because the world is full of ugly." Konrad Sauer

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#6 posted 01-14-2014 01:10 PM

You have the two planes, may as well fix them up. I made cherry knob and tote to replace the plastic on my No 4. Kind of like a Lie Nielsen. Keep them or sell them for a LN. You have options. Lee Valley has free plans for the totes.

-- Dan, Naperville IL, I.G.N.

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#7 posted 01-14-2014 07:48 PM

Apparently you’ve found them to be “good users”. Get aftermarket blades from Hock, LV, etc. Try the blades- you may find your chip breakers work fine with new blades. Some people have to widen the mouth a bit to get a thicker iron from LN to cut. If the replacements say specifically for Stanley/ Record the you’ll be OK. For some it’s a great learning experience- for others it’s an exercise in frustration. You may be pleasantly surprised by what a good blade can do. I have a neighbor with a blue body Handyman with those plastic handles. He added a Hock O1 blade and it made a world of difference. (He still gets blisters from the plastic, but that’s another story.) We have people here in Trade and Swap who fix up and sell planes if you want affordable vintage users.

-- "After a year of doing general farmwork, it was quite clear to me that chickens and I were not compatible"-George Nakashima

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#8 posted 01-14-2014 08:03 PM

Renewing and tuning old tools is a hobby in its self.
If you don’t have the interest to do it you could buy renewed planes on ebay, they are listed every day, but you will have to have patience if you want one cheap!

-- Love thy neighbour as thyself

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