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01-13-2014 08:27 PM

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#1 posted 01-13-2014 09:09 PM

You can read and learn all you want but until you do it with your own two hands I cant consider it a skill. I see woodworking as a two sided coin, knowledge and ability. You can have all the knowledge in the world but if you can saw straight, read grain, etc. youre going to be in trouble. Without any knowledge you’re going to learn the hard way, like you did.

I think that the internet will probably attract more people to woodworking due to the lack of frustrations you will encounter. Some people can only handle failure so many times before they quit. By being able to quickly research what you have done wrong and other means and methods to perform a certain task frustrations are lowered.

The internet is kind of like having every book in every library in the world at your fingertips along with tons of first hand experience. Without the internet and this site I might have taken up a different hobby Im glad I didn’t.

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#2 posted 01-13-2014 09:52 PM

Kevin, I had the benefit of training in 77 but didn’t learn everything. Many times I had to crash thru or crash. That is still my mind set. It has given me a ” I can do this ” attitude

Now I’m doing Luthiery with the benefit of the net. I do my own research and don’t want to be spoon fed.

-- Mama calls me Texcaster but my real name is Mr. Earl.

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#3 posted 01-13-2014 10:03 PM

I have to say the internet is a great wealth of information.
Like chrisstef says you still have to gain the skill which in most cases take experience, unless your just a natural which some of us are.
Good luck with your Luthiery!

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#4 posted 01-13-2014 10:06 PM

CN shout out… How do you think Charles learned so much about what to do if a finish backfired?
I can guarantee he did it wrong the first time and used trial and error to fix it and learned from his mistakes.
No internet for him to look it up on.
You can’t gain that kind of experience from the internet.

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#5 posted 01-13-2014 10:15 PM

I believe the Internet has enabled me to become a better woodworker. And I believe the Internet has enabled me to become a better woodworker faster than I would have in its absence.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#6 posted 01-13-2014 10:27 PM

I agree wholeheartedly, but when you learn how to do something from instruction on the net you only learn how to do the task at hand, and while you may accomplish that task beautifully, You don’t gain the true experience.
The experience of trying this or that, the reactions from doing it this way or that way. When something goes wrong with what you have done you have no experience to fall back on to make corrections. But then in Today’s World, you can always come here to seek answers and over time I guess you would eventually gather the experience.

I guess my point, The internet is allowing you to accomplish certain tasks but in the process is it lowering the level of true experience being gained?
“Old World Experience” is that a forgotten thing?

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#7 posted 01-13-2014 11:52 PM

I still screw up enough even with all you guys looking over my shoulder! At least I can turn around and get the fix fast after the “I told you so”s die down. I really like not having to reinvent the wheel every time I want to try something. I’m working on a project now that is a variation on a common project. It may or may not work, but when I post it I’ll also post what I learned, why I did it the way I did, and I can come back later and give an update on long-term success or failure. I also learn stuff I thought I already knew when I chime in with an answer on a post, then somebody comes along and gives a better answer. I would much rather have a house filled with successfull projects than a shop full of, as “Just Joe” calls them, “prototypes”. Good question, good discussion. I like how the internet allows us to have the discussion about whether the internet is….......uh, what was the question again?

-- You've got to be smarter than the tree.

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#8 posted 01-14-2014 12:29 AM

I didn’t miss anything by not walking 5 miles to school in deep snow. Or using an outhouse. Or killing my own chicken dinner. Or reading by lamplight…

-- This is a Troll Free zone.

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#9 posted 01-14-2014 12:49 AM

I think I’m probably just jealous that the internet wasn’t around when I was learning and had to pay my dues the hard way to learn what I know. Now a days it’s a lot easier with the internet.

DKV, Yeah, but you probably would have learned how to build a post and beam barn with all your brothers and sisters.

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#10 posted 01-14-2014 04:14 PM

I learned in the 50’s working with my dad and taking high school shop classes. There were also plenty of
books around. I think the libraries had a lot more how to books and dad subscribed to both Popular
Mechanics and Popular Science. One of the sporting magazines even had an article on how to make your
own black powder with a nice reminder telling you to roll the lumps out with a glass jar, not your mother’s
rolling pin. Maybe I was lucky, but I have found that if you were willing to ask questions politely and listen
to the answers, you could learn quite a bit. The internet does make it quicker and easier in some ways,
but reading and watching you tube and diagrams is not going to get your equipment fixed, or your wood
work done. You still have to do the job yourself or pay someone else.

-- As ever, Gus-the 77 yr young apprentice carpenter

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