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01-13-2014 01:20 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question planer

I just got back from picking up a new to me (Craigslist) Jet 15” planer from a guy an hour away.
This is my first 220v tool, and i know very little about it.
I realized my stupidity when I got home and went to plug it in. There are 220v (or 250v?) outlets in my garage, two of them in fact. But neither one matches the plug on my new planer.

So. . . How boned am I, and what are my options?

I’m running on the assumption that the two outlets do have service (I have no idea how to test that without something to plug into it). Am I completely hosed because it’s simply not compatible? Can I swap out one of the outlets with a new one? Or swap out the plug on the machine to match one of the existing outlets? Again, I’ve never dealt with much electrical stuff, and this is the first 220V tool I’ve owned.

I rent, so I don’t know that running a new line is an option. I would feel ok about swapping out a plug or an outlet. It appears the previous owner did something heavy in the garage. One block of my breakers is labeled “Welder,” and I assume that covers one of the outlets.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Planer:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/81tsi417u2r2o8g/2014-01-12%2016.49.30.jpg

Plug:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cycshyopl8s0u33/2014-01-12%2016.49.56.jpg

Outlet 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ty1bww2yhfm60eu/2014-01-12%2016.50.36.jpg
(Reads: “20A-250V”)

Outlet 2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n170eehy6208gt/2014-01-12%2016.51.46.jpg
(Reads: 30A 125/250V NEMA 10-30)


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#1 posted 01-13-2014 01:32 AM

Relax, you are OK. It probably will take no more than changing the outlet and possibly a breaker to match the amperage recommended for your planer. As you have no means to test, I would strongly suggest you spend a few bucks and have an electrician handle it. While I do these things myself, if you are not familiar with electricity, it is worth a $100 or so to have a qualified person do the work.

Good luck with the new planer,

Tim

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#2 posted 01-13-2014 01:45 AM

First – did you get the Jet owners manual with the machine? If not, I suggest you try to access on the Jet web site, or if needed submit a request for one in electronic format from their customer service. This will explain what power source is need fir this machine.
I suggest this because the plug you show is most probably for three phase. You can reference this on the web, under NEMA plugs and receptacles, like this; http://www.stayonline.com/reference-nema-straight-blade.aspx

It could also be that your new machine requires both 120 V and 240 Volts, which a 4 prong plug can access.

In short, without a manual, I agree with PittsburghTim, consult with a good electrician.

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jonah

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#3 posted 01-13-2014 02:40 AM

What does the planer say on its motor plate? That’s going to determine what you need as far as a plug, outlet, wire, and breaker.

You can test the outlets with a multi-meter, if you have one. Stick one probe into the ground and the other into one of the other slots. If it reads 240V (or -240V), then they are live. If not, try a different combination of slots.

There are a few variables in play here.

It’s possible that your outlets are fed by 14AWG wire (especially the first one). If that’s the case, you’d be limited to 15amps, which doesn’t match up to the plug that’s on the planer – though that’s not necessarily an indication of what the tool actually requires.

Given the requirements of the tool (let’s say 20amps), you can use any cord + outlet pair that is rated for that current load. It could be three prong or four, with any of a half dozen different shapes and arrangements. The only important things are that it’s rated for that current and whats on the cord fits with the receptacle.

The cord you picture there is a twist-lock, I believe.

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#4 posted 01-13-2014 02:44 AM

I don’t think that is a 3-phase plug. I think it is just a normal twistlock 125/250 20 amp plug. It probably says so right on it somewhere and if you track down a good nema plug chart it will show it as something like L14-20R.

I looked at the manual for the JWP-15DX, it looks like your planer. If it’s not then you should be googlng to find a manual. The plug configuration you need is in the manual. For the JWP-15DX a simple plug to match the first outlet you pictured will do the trick.

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#5 posted 01-13-2014 03:06 AM

I would replace the plug on the planer as a quicker/safer option. If that outlet handled a welder, it should handle your planer.

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#6 posted 01-13-2014 04:31 AM

Thanks guys, here’s the motor plate:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/moub3evyryx1lg0/2014-01-12%2018.51.35.jpg

So, Single phase, 3 HP, 230V, 14AMP.

Again, I have only a cursory understanding of electrical stuff, would that work with the 250V 20A outlet? i.e. swap the plug and I’m good? Or do I need a new outlet/breaker?

Thanks again for all the info, really appreciate it.

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#7 posted 01-13-2014 04:33 AM

It will work with outlet 1

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#8 posted 01-13-2014 04:35 AM

Agree with gfadvm – just change the plug on the end of your cord.
4 bucks and done –
I wouldn’t mess with the panel in a rental house – - the plug may be to already fit the OWNERS welder… so I would just be sure that you have at least a 20 amp breaker and enjoy.

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#9 posted 01-13-2014 04:51 AM

Just be sure that there is at least a 20A breaker feeding whatever receptacle you use, replace the plug to match the outlet, and you’ll be fine.

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#10 posted 01-13-2014 05:04 AM

Here’s the “Welder” portion of the breaker box:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6sne8j5njxlh7d8/2014-01-12%2020.55.22.jpg

I can’t be sure which outlet the “Welder” is. There are several more unlabeled breakers (as I have seen in every house I’ve ever lived in. I’m assuming the “20” and “50” on the actual switch is the Amperage? If so, there is no breaker in my box with a number lower than 20.

So if that breaker is 20Amp, does this look like what I’d be looking for?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pass-Seymour-15-Amp-250-Volt-NEMA-6-15P-Industrial-Grade-Plug-PS5666XCCV4/100206376#

Thanks again guys.

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Wiltjason

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#11 posted 01-13-2014 05:40 AM

You do kinda have one other problem ( although not a major one) your house is wired for a 3 wire 240v system and your planner is a 4 wire 240v system. ( the NEC changed this in 1996 ) . Ive been an electdrician for 20 yrs and if you were going to pay me to do this job what I would do is go back to the motor and unhook the ground wire and run to the cabnet of the planner ( just sand off the paint and bolt the wire to the bare metal). Then I would change out the plug using the 2 hot wires and the white ( the 2 hot wires are probably black) and you can just cut the green or ground wire off. This will insure that all metall parts are ” bonded”. Not exactly sure if this way is “to code” in your area as all locallities are different but its a safe and effective way to do it

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Tumerboy

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#12 posted 01-13-2014 05:06 PM

OK, so I tracked down some manuals online for the JWP-15CS and the JWP-15DX.
My planer says the model number is actually JWP-15CSW. I’m not sure what’s different between the CS and the CSW. With the two manuals I did find (CS and DX) they both had the same wiring diagram at the back of the manual:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pggbbc1oohzat29/JWP-15DX-Electrical.jpg

It appears to only have 3 wires. I think the plug that’s currently on there was added by the previous owner (doesn’t look original), so I’m guessing it’s only using 3 of the 4 prongs? I’ll open it up tonight and take a look.

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#13 posted 01-13-2014 05:46 PM

I think your right, they probably changed to the plug to fit the wiring in your house. Im going to PM you my phone number, if you have any questions feel free to call or twxt me and ill walk you through it

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#14 posted 01-13-2014 05:49 PM

Thanks Wilt!

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Tumerboy

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#15 posted 01-14-2014 06:21 AM

Well, picked up a plug tonight at Home Depot, came home, removed the old one (indeed, 3 wires), hooked up the new one, plugged it in. . . nothing.

It would seem I’m not in search of an electrician.

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