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Forum topic by Ray posted 01-12-2014 06:19 PM 663 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-12-2014 06:19 PM

I know that there are some outliers when it comes to putting a plane within a category. I think I have one. Running this through the flowchart, I arrived at Type 15. Moved on to type study and found the following contradictions-

USA behind frog – mine is in front of frog
Bailey behind frog- mine is at the toe
Plane number in front of knob- mine is at the heel

One additional casting identification for which I have not found a reference – 2C cast into tote base.

I am new to this, so feel free to tell me if I went wrong somewhere.

Thanks

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#1 posted 01-12-2014 06:35 PM

Two important points:
1. type studies typically trace one model over time (most often a #4). As a result, various markings will, sometimes of necessity, appear in different places on different size planes.
2. Let’s have a look at all the parts that are missing in your pics; handles, blade, lever cap, adjuster wheel—as clues to age/type.

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#2 posted 01-12-2014 07:14 PM

Attached are the additional photos requested. I assumed that these parts could have been changed out by someone and could confuse the dating effort.

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#3 posted 01-12-2014 07:15 PM

It is a more recent model. W/O looking through the type studies I would guess T19 or 20.

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#4 posted 01-12-2014 07:33 PM

Black handle/tote scream Type 17 or 18 (courtesy rexmill) , but I’d say 18 because of ye olde diagonal knurling on the brass. The top of the blade isn’t curved (Type 19+) and it appears “STANLEY” is horizontal on the adjuster, which went to vertical on 19.

If you take the frog off you can check the seat design, which is helpful.

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#5 posted 01-12-2014 07:40 PM

Attached are the additional photos requested. I assumed that these parts could have been changed out by someone and could confuse the dating effort.

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#6 posted 01-12-2014 07:46 PM

I am not sure how the double posting happened.

The one feature that seems strange- no flat ribs front or back. This was added For Type 16 and I don’t see the type # were it was removed.

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#7 posted 01-12-2014 07:54 PM

Here is a photo of the frog mount surface. The frog has a “U” cast into it.

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#8 posted 01-12-2014 07:56 PM

It is probably Type 16. The toe and heel raised ribs took a while to get fully implemented and a lot of the Type 16’s can be found without them. Those missing and the new style frog say 16 to me.

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#9 posted 01-12-2014 08:48 PM

It was made during the war effort
The giveaways are:
• stained hardwood (not rosewood) knobs
• diagonally-knurled adjuster wheel
• thicker sidewalls

I’ll bet it came with one-piece, cad-plated screws for attaching handles, right? (as opposed to studs with brass barrel screw heads)

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#10 posted 01-12-2014 09:09 PM

It has studs with brass barrel screw heads.

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#11 posted 01-12-2014 09:21 PM

Fair enough
But there are enough other hallmarks to stamp it as a WWII-era plane.
I probably have 20 or so planes in the 5 to 5 1/2 size alone and each has a different number of indicators.
This is to be expected as some parts already in the pipeline would be used up at different rates.

A few other points for those interested in knowledge of such matters.
At various times, the lever caps have no nickle plating and have a crudely ground surface of verical striations.
Also, on some specimens, apparently owing to shortages due to the war effort, the frog adjusting bracket which screws to the back, bottom of the frog is not even blued.

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#12 posted 01-12-2014 09:39 PM

My type 17 #5 has a U stamped in the frog. It’s the only war-era plane I have, but I like it because the base is heavier than my type 15 #5. Only thing I’d change is the steel hardware, esp. adjuster wheel. Been looking for crappy 5s for parts.

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