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DKV

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01-07-2014 06:58 PM

to improve my handcut dovetails. The end result still looks like crap. I am tempted to send the thing back.

-- Have fun and laugh alot. Life can end at any moment. You old guys out there know what I mean...


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Kaleb the Swede

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#1 posted 01-07-2014 07:01 PM

I use one Deek, just I didn’t pay for it, my brother gave it to me. My dovetails are getting there, I think my brother put a curse on it…..

-- Just trying to build something beautiful

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Kryptic

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#2 posted 01-07-2014 07:09 PM

The problem isn’t with the jig : )

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madts

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#3 posted 01-07-2014 07:11 PM

Allah will help if you ask him. You could also ask your other buddy.

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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DKV

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#4 posted 01-07-2014 07:12 PM

Kaleb, all dovetail tools have curses on them…and the so called dovetail saws are even worse. Are curses additive as you use more dovetail tools?

-- Have fun and laugh alot. Life can end at any moment. You old guys out there know what I mean...

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#5 posted 01-07-2014 07:15 PM

These are for layout and marking… they are not saw guides .

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Kaleb the Swede

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#6 posted 01-07-2014 07:18 PM

I don’t use them as saw guides Mr. Neil, just for layout. The curse comes after when I am sawing…..

-- Just trying to build something beautiful

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CharlesNeil

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#7 posted 01-07-2014 07:29 PM

Kalab,

I understand, I was just curious as to how the marking gauges would be considered the culprit in cutting the dovetails .

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Kaleb the Swede

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#8 posted 01-07-2014 07:36 PM

I can’t blame me Mr. Neil it’s not my fault. No seriously, I use it every time when I cut dovetails.

Can we see something you have finished recently in the projects soon Mr. Neil? We would all love to see your process and drool over it. I have looked at your website a bunch. I’m a huge fan

-- Just trying to build something beautiful

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JustJoe

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#9 posted 01-07-2014 07:52 PM

There’s nothing wrong with the dovetail template. The problem is the user. You’re probably going through withdrawal and have the shakes. Just take a walk out into the woods far away from any computer and find a lone tree to tell a joke to. Something like “So, Jesus and the entire Tea Party walk into a bar…” That should calm you down enough to steady the hand.

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#10 posted 01-07-2014 07:59 PM

DKV is putting us on and it cracked me up. Awhile back I found a dovetail gauge I made years ago from aluminum and oak that got “lost” in the back of a drawer but now I have a swanky one from Hammerthumb and my dovetails are perfect (in my mind).

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shampeon

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#11 posted 01-07-2014 08:02 PM

I’m no expert joiner, so whatever, but my dovetails improved a ton when I a) used a fine mechanical pencil for layout lines and b) knifed in lines for the saw to track just to the side of the pencil lines: just outside for the pins, just inside for the tails. This prevented a lot of the gaps I had before.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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pmayer

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#12 posted 01-07-2014 08:17 PM

I think those are helpful but I don’t own one. For me it took about a dozen practice joints, and upgrading to a good saw and a nice set of chisels, before I was able to consistently get good results. If you are trying to do this with marginal cutting and chopping tools, do yourself a favor and upgrade. You can buy a decent Japanese style saw for $40 +/-, and an great English style DT saw for well under $150. A good set of chisels will set you back $60 or so, and obviously you can go up from there. Quality tools will help a lot. Also, use a super sharp pencil or better yet an exacto knife, when tracing the tails onto your pin board for cut #2. (Or, cut your pins first if you prefer. I’ll stay out of that holy war).

You can do this. Don’t send the saddle markers back if it means you are giving up. It’s all about technique, which you can learn if you stick with it.

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DKV

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#13 posted 01-08-2014 12:39 AM

redwing98 got a great deal on a Leigh dovetail jig. I hope his works better than my Veritas jig…

-- Have fun and laugh alot. Life can end at any moment. You old guys out there know what I mean...

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404 - Not Found

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#14 posted 01-08-2014 12:46 AM

Deek, take a look at BigRed’s ‘furniture makers forum’ – there’s lots of good tips for dt’s around post 800 or so. Some great ways of work holding and aligning chisels.

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teejk

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#15 posted 01-08-2014 01:00 AM

Curse removal tools are available for a price but you have to be able to remember how you got the curse. A friend of mine got one removed by a divorce lawyer after explaining he got the curse by saying “I do”. Unfortunately the friend was not paying attention and had to repeat the experience 2 more times. Being in a community property state he has bought his own house twice+ now.

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