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Forum topic by Polvalt posted 12-30-2013 03:18 PM 672 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Polvalt

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12-30-2013 03:18 PM

Topic tags/keywords: plane

I recently came across two stanley #5 planes. I picked up both because neither was 100% complete. The first is a Type 9 corrugated bailey that is in decent working condition but the knob is chipped badly and the tote is broken where it sits (along with the head of the front mounting screw broken off. The other is an S5 with an aluminum tote In pretty good condition but it has no Iron or iron cap. I really only need one decent jack plane and I’d like to sell the other one. My question is, IF I am mostly interested in having a solid working plane, should i take the best of both planes and make a frankenplane, or should I return both to solid working condition, and then sell the one I like the least?


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#1 posted 12-30-2013 03:28 PM

Frankenplane using the S5 would be my vote, and then keep an eye out for the proper iron and iron cap !

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#2 posted 12-30-2013 03:49 PM

So the only problem with the corrugated #5 is the wood (handles)?
Then sell the S5 (much less plentiful than the ubiquitous No 5) and get/make/buy handles for the other.

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#3 posted 12-30-2013 03:53 PM

Doc, I’ve never seen a comparison on the two as users, does the S5 to your understanding stack up equaly with the regular #5 ?
I’ve never seen either an S5 or S4 in the flesh..so to speak..
Just curious..

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#4 posted 12-30-2013 04:15 PM

In use, they should be no different than a regular no 5—it’s just that the main body casting is pressed steel rather than cast iron. The idea was that they could withstand more abuse (possibly trade school). The side profile looks like a bedrock with a slight scallop missing from the top edge of the sidewall.
Keep in mind that the frog is not interchangeable with other No 5s.
(There was also an aluminum No 5—the A5)

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Polvalt

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#5 posted 12-31-2013 04:44 PM

Wow, that was quick! I thought a few pictures might help.

Here is the 5C…

And Here is the S5…

I picked these up for $15 and I would love to refurbish one to “like new” condition at some point, but have a nice working plane first.

I also picked up this Millers Falls for an extra $10 and it looks like it will clean up pretty easily

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#6 posted 12-31-2013 04:50 PM

Those broken totes are common. I have a couple and I use
them. You can make a jig to glue a split tote back
together if it’s wiggling too much when you use it.

In terms of the horn on the tote being broken off,
that’s about the most common damage to a Bailey
plane. Carve off the rough edges and put it to
work.

I think the screw is a standard machine screw and
you should be able to get something that will
work at a well stocked hardware store (the kind
that’s not so easy to find anymore).

I recommend you sell the S5 on ebay and spend
the money on other tools. You can buy
an iron and chipbreaker on ebay that will
fit if you think it will fetch a better price that
way (it might). You could also put the iron
and chipbreaker in the S5, sell it and buy a
premium aftermarket iron and chipbreaker.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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Don W

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#7 posted 12-31-2013 05:54 PM

First, the S5 you have in that condition has some collector value. Watch them I ebay, they go for a lot more then a typical #5. As a user, I agree with doc, they are about the same, but the casting won’t break if you knock it off the bench.

A type 9 had a low knob, so either the knob was changed or you’ve got a type 12 or newer.

You can easily make a new tote, just follow my blog. http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/making-a-bench-plane-tote/

The Millers Falls should make a nice user as well. I love the goncalo wood they used. Once refinished it looks fantastic. Its probably a type 4 or 5.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#8 posted 12-31-2013 06:18 PM

The s5 is the nicer and that’s what I’d keep personally.Though I don’t do much handplaning due to my health problems. Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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Polvalt

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#9 posted 12-31-2013 09:13 PM

Leaning towards selling the S5 with the iron and iron cap from the 5C (is that kosher?) and picking up an iron and iron cap for the 5C with more life left in them… then eventually making a new tote for the 5C and a new low knob.

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Don W

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#10 posted 12-31-2013 10:20 PM

Why not keep both? You can pick up a vintage cutter fairly reasonable, or a Hock after market. Put an aggressive camber on 1 and a smaller camber on the other. What your going to make extra isn’t going to be a big difference, and its nice to have the different configurations.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Polvalt

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#11 posted 12-31-2013 11:26 PM

I really like that idea Don, I’ll have to think about that… though the wife may not like it as much as I do…

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Don W

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#12 posted 01-01-2014 12:07 AM

you just need to convince the wife that vintage tools are a better hedge against inflation then the stock market. You won’t be lying, and you wind up with some cool xmas presents.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#13 posted 01-01-2014 12:41 AM

I have an s5 with a wooden handle, when did the start putting the aluminum one on there? That looks nuts!

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Don W

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#14 posted 01-01-2014 12:44 AM

I don’t think they ever consistently put the aluminum handles on anything. I believe they were ordered that way. a lot of schools used them (the aluminum handles), that’s why you see them on the #5 1/4s a lot.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Polvalt

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#15 posted 01-01-2014 04:56 AM

Here are a few more images with a better camera…

The S5

The 5C

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