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Forum topic by Mark Davisson posted 12-27-2013 at 04:38 PM 4673 views 0 times favorited 259 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-27-2013 at 04:38 PM

Topic tags/keywords: sawstop

I understand that there are some with ill feelings (pretty deep ill feelings) toward SawStop. I’m not sure of the reasons behind those feelings, however. If you know why some don’t like the company or its products and can explain it calmly and logically, I’d like to read your post.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!


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#1 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:01 PM

Hers a short rundown: http://toolmonger.com/2012/09/14/more-sawstop-bs/

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#2 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:19 PM

sounds like sawstop has a little HITLER in the MIX or greed I might say

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#3 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:21 PM

I have watched a few TV shows Like BLOG Cabin and such and have seen those IDIOTS on the show doin freehand sawing what a bunch of Idiots

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#4 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:24 PM

Bowedcurly, keep in mind: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#5 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:29 PM

Good to know, I guess. Like the OP I didn’t know why there was such a big rouse over SawStop. I thought it was just another Ford vs Chevy thing.

-- Bill, central NY...no where near the "big apple"

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#6 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:39 PM

I just purchased a sawstop because I read that without the brake technology they are still a great set of saws , just really expensive. I have cut my finger on the band saw and after seeing two other experienced woodworkers in my family get cut on the table saw I want to avoid another cut if possible. After looking at what they paid in medical expenses I can justify the cost for me. I think it’s a personal decision.

One thing people talk about is the cost of a cartridge. What they don’t say is that on page 5 of the manual it clearly states that if you send the tripped cartridge back to sawstop and they determine it was tripped from skin contact they will send you another one for free!

Not trying to start anything, I just haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere until I purchased the saw.

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#7 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:39 PM

it’s greed for sure when someone comes up with a scam like that, I mean you posted the link, I read only a few lines and come up with the same ol thing as always, Greed greed GREED gReED, I can’t afford a sawstop, but I try to be safe as possible, but what can happen will happen, right , but really I worked 119 out of 122 days and never went out in the shop, Im off work now for 14 days but I still did not go out into the shop until I was fully rested I never go out when Im tired, and I don’t work out in the shop unless my mind is right, bein tired and in a hurry is disaster smiling, and he will get the last laugh, never heard the meme law but learn somethin everyday

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#8 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:46 PM

Sawstop is good heavy saw they look good, if I had the funds I would buy one, but I try to be as safe as possible,I learned last year that jointing and planing your lumber flat is a good start to bein safe, most of my kickbacks occured befor I had a jointer now going in with square stock is like cutting butter, maybe they should make everyone buy a jointer , planer before the saw

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#9 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:52 PM

Btw, a SS is going to be my next table saw. Big fan of the technology.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#10 posted 12-27-2013 at 05:57 PM

it’s greed for sure when someone comes up with a scam like that, I mean you posted the link, I read only a few lines and come up with the same ol thing as always, Greed greed GREED gReED, I can’t afford a sawstop,

I can’t afford a SS either. But if I could shell out 3K for a TS I sure as he!! would buy a 220V cabinet SS. As far as GREED, sure seems like it. But hey, that’s business. And businesses screw, or try to screw, other businesses all the time here in the USA and in every other country too. It’s nothing new and likely won’t ever stop. All part of the free enterprise system.

-- Bill, central NY...no where near the "big apple"

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#11 posted 12-27-2013 at 06:00 PM

exactly BB same as always

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#12 posted 12-27-2013 at 06:18 PM

Trying to piece things together here. CharlesA provided a link to a blog that states: “Now the kicker: the owners of the SawStop patents are pushing lawsuits to mandate the use of the SawStop technology, essentially claiming that any saws that don’t include the SawStop feature are inherently unsafe by design.”

And bbc557ci wrote: “And businesses screw, or try to screw, other businesses all the time here in the USA and in every other country too.”

Are the ill feelings caused by the belief that SawStop is screwing other businesses (saw makers) by “pushing lawsuits to mandate the use of SawStop technology”? If so, can someone point me to information about those lawsuits?

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#13 posted 12-27-2013 at 06:23 PM

I cant afford a saw stop and would not, I don’t feel like their saw as a saw is NOT any better then Jet, Steel City or Powermatic. Not to mention I cannot afford to replace a $60.00 blade and $70 cartridge everytime I cut through a piece of lumber just to find out the middle of the board was not fully dry while the outside was and the fancy tester built into the saw said it was dry. And the page 5 thing saying they will replace the cartridge if They determine it was skin contact. Good luck with that not to mention the amount of time your saw will be down waiting on that part.

All in all Screw sawstop and use some simple common sense. Well unless you are in the white house or member of congress then you lack all common sense.

-- Failure is always an option. :-)

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#14 posted 12-27-2013 at 06:26 PM

I have absolutely no problem with somebody trying to make money. We live in a capitalistic society and a country that fully supports it. I begrudge no man trying to make as much money as he can as long as he does it legally and does no harm to anyone in the process.

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#15 posted 12-27-2013 at 06:27 PM

We already tried the boisterous jobsite rib sticking banter about our favorite table saw brand.
I think some missed the joke and took it wrong. Maybe not…it was certainly entertaining for LJ.

No fingers or hot dogs were maimed anyway.

A little satire.

I think we should have robots cut the wood for us. It’s just too dangerous.
What if the safety device doesn’t work?..... who will we sue then?

Hey! a back up safety device! that’s it! .... like a parachute!

And what about those evil skill saws? and miter boxes? and jointers? and planers? and band saws?
“Don’t you care about your employee’s safety?” a sales rep actually said that to me.

Man, I would love to own the patent for that safety device….. and a few politicians.

end sarc.

Nice saw though….very well made, and the price came way down…. or did everyone else raise their price?

good link CharlesA

-- Mark - I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude. - Malo periculosam

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