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Forum topic by Kwit posted 12-27-2013 01:00 AM 810 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Kwit

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12-27-2013 01:00 AM

I seem to have a problem with finishing some oak red oak tables made from 3.5” and 2.5” strips, 1.5” thick, glued together using TBIII, then finished with Minwax Dark Walnut

here’s a post of what I thought was a finished product: http://lumberjocks.com/projects/93962

It seems that after applying 4 coats of Minwax oil-based poly – then sprayed an apparently great finish coat – There were flaws developing nearly 3-4 days after drying. It may be a small bubble – or it seems like something is seeping out from the seams to create a very slight – be albeit – visible line at the seams in certain areas

It is not all over the pieces – just in certain areas – I built 4 tables like this.

I let my poly coats dry 24 hours – then 220 grit sand – clean with Mineral Spirits and microfiber cloths

My work shop temp is not super stable – but it has been between 62 and 57 degrees during the process

Any ideas appreciated

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#1 posted 12-27-2013 01:04 AM

Wazzat? A picture of a snowman in a blizzard? A polar bear laying on a cotton sheet? You promised a pic of red oak – show me the oak!

Without pics, any chance it is a glue-line you’re seeing?

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#2 posted 12-27-2013 01:15 AM

Yeah – sorry about the missing pic – here’s a link to my project post

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/93962

I didn’t think glue would still be an issue after much sanding, then stain, then multiple coats of poly

how long should I have waited after glue-up????

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#3 posted 12-27-2013 01:55 AM

It seems that your experiencing what Charles Neil calls push back.the pores your oak has absorbed to much finish and is seeping out of the pores ,it’s possible that you did not let your walnut stain dry well enough before top coating . It would have helped to use a grain filler be for putting any finish on.

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#4 posted 12-27-2013 02:33 AM

I had the exact same problem on a project once. I just assumed it had something to do with moisture content and wood movement. I sanded everything smooth and added more finish coats. Once everything was perfect again, I brought the piece to its permanent home in my office. About two months later, the raised seams had returned, once again leading me to believe it is a moisture content situation.

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#5 posted 12-27-2013 08:06 AM

I asked a somewhat similar question 1915 days ago here.
A couple of additional ideas there that may help.

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#6 posted 12-27-2013 10:25 AM

You mentioned that you also refinished the restaurant’s existing tables. Any issues with the finish on those, or just the tables you made?
I would assume at this point that you used the same finishing process in both instances?

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#7 posted 12-27-2013 01:51 PM

How long did the Titebond dry before coating? It develops full strength fairly quickly, but the adjacent wood has to dry out again; the water has to go somewhere and will take awhile to work its way out. If the wood is sealed with plastic varnish, it has nowhere to go.

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#8 posted 12-27-2013 04:00 PM

glue creep?

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#9 posted 12-28-2013 01:57 AM

I’ve seen that term “glue creep” before and suspect that is the problem (even though I’m not sure of the definition of “glue creep”.
I’ve had this problem with Titebond3 on Jatoba glue ups.

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