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dfitchtx

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112 days ago

I am recently retired and getting back into woodworking. I am build a new shop and wanting to upgrade some of my equipment. I am currently looking to upgrade my table saw from a contractor to a hybrid. I am not willing to commit to an professional 3 hp model. The Craftsman 22116 currently has my eye. I am fascinated, conceptually, with he granite top. I am concerned,however, with the miter grove size. Craftsman historically has used a non-standard grove, prohibiting the use of standard attachments. I have not been able to determine if the grove on the 22116 is standard. There are none available to view in local Sears stores and a “chat” with their expert was not helpful. I would appreciate any comments on this subject. Further, I am not “locked in” to this machine. Comments on alternatives would also be appreciated.


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Bill White

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#1 posted 112 days ago

I have very little confidence in the quality and after-the-sale support from Sears/Craftsman.
Granite has its positives as far as rust free, stability, etc., but it will chip and crack from use or transportation.
Buy from a company that has its background in tooling. Look at Grizzly. Great support!
No connection other than a shop that has a lot of bear emblazoned power tools.
BTW, it is GROOVE. :)
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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MrFid

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#2 posted 112 days ago

I have the Ridgid R4511 granite top saw. I have had mine for about 6 months of daily use, but I bought mine used off CL. The saw is I think a 2006 roughly and was in great shape when I bought it. Neither the previous owner nor myself have had no problems with my top regarding cracking, but I am always careful when inserting a miter gauge or putting anything else into the miter groove as that seems like the logical place for it to crack. As long as you’re fairly careful you shouldn’t have much of a problem, esp for a stationary machine. I can’t comment on the specific saw you’re looking at, but I can tell you that granite top saws can be very nice. As with any choice you make, there are pros and cons.

-- Bailey F - Eastern Mass.

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retfr8flyr

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#3 posted 112 days ago

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ScottStewart

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#4 posted 112 days ago

I would suggest against the Craftsman, the problem is that Sears is simply applying a label plate to a product someone else is manufacturing. When they change their contract to a different manufacturer, you won’t be able to get parts. DAMHIK.

Buy your tablesaw where you can get parts for it 15 years from now if desired.

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dfitchtx

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#5 posted 112 days ago

MrFid thank you for you comments but you may want to check with Rigid but I think the R4511 has been recalled and there is a stop sell order on it.

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a1Jim

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#6 posted 112 days ago

I don’t see any advantage in getting a granite top table saw and I stop buying sears power tools years ago becuase of their poor customer service and inferior products. I agree with the idea of purchasing grizzly products ,they have good prices and good customer service.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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UpstateNYdude

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#7 posted 112 days ago

I saw the Craftsman in Sears today it looks exactly like the Steel City (exactly) and it felt cheap and the model in the store already had like 3-4 chips in the top, for that price tag you could spend $300-400 more and just get the 3hp 1023RL or the 690 from Grizzly a much better saw with a much better company behind it.

-- Nick, “Discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime's work, but it's worth the effort.” ― Fred Rogers, Be My Neighbor

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UpstateNYdude

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#8 posted 112 days ago

the Rigid saws only had an arbor issue when using a dado stack which you can call into Rigid and they’ll send a tech out to replace it providing you have one of the serial numbers that were effected. The whole line wasn’t recalled only a part and only certain ones that they subsequently fixed once the defect was found.

-- Nick, “Discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime's work, but it's worth the effort.” ― Fred Rogers, Be My Neighbor

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cabmaker

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#9 posted 112 days ago

What saw do you have now?

Are you sure that a new granite top saw would be an upgrade.!?

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knotscott

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#10 posted 111 days ago

The advantages of granite is that it doesn’t rust, so doesn’t require the rust preventive efforts that cast iron does. It’s also flatter and heavier. It’s more prone to damage than cast iron, but I wouldn’t consider it fragile by any means. Having cut my teeth on cast iron, I’m not sure I’d want a granite top saw, but in fairness I have read many positive reports from owners who love the granite tops. The 22116 gets mainly glowing reports from owners….it’s made by Steel City/Orion, has the same trunnion design as the former R4511, has a good fence, and was the successor to the very popular 22124, also made by SC/Orion. At the right price, it’d definitely be on my shortlist of 120v saws, as would the Grizzly G0715P and G0661/G0713. Once properly aligned and fitted with a good blade, any of these should serve you well.

22116:

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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darthford

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#11 posted 111 days ago

I was in Harbor freight, saw a 1/2 HP 6” buffer for $42 and thought dang that’s cheap, but lets check Sears before opting for bottom of the barrel. Sear’s had a 6” buffer also for $129…it was the exact same buffer as Harbor Freight right down to the base casting it was sad they applied a Craftsman label to that thing.

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darthford

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#12 posted 111 days ago

As for the granite tops I would not make the ‘assumption’ that they are ground to granite surface plate tolerance, its entirely possible to grind one poorly. That said I do like the concept, but only if done well.

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BArnold

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#13 posted 111 days ago

A few months ago, I replaced my Jet 3hp cabinet saw with a Grizzly G0690, mainly because of the riving knife feature and a few operational updates. I’ve had various other Grizzly tools for several years, so had no hesitation going with one of their table saws. I never considered a granite top because of the potential for chipping, plus I’ve never had any issue with cast iron.

-- Bill, Thomasville, GA

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knotscott

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#14 posted 111 days ago

The good news is that he’s not looking for a cheap sander that happens to say “Craftsman” on the front. Most of the brands on the market are putting their logo on tools that they don’t manufacture in-house. I always suggest buying the tool, not the name. In this case, it’s a competitive tool in this class and price point, that happens to say “Craftsman” on the front…there’s no design correlation with the sander. Basing decisions solely on brand name can prevent being objective.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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