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belgium

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221 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw question

After a long time reading this forum I decided to join in….
I purchased a new table saw , American style , there is A dealer now in the Netherlands.
The brand name is here Harvey HW110LGE-30 , similar to the grizzly 110 model.
It is a dream to work whit , smooth , precise and silent ,3HP ,4500 r/min. I love also the T saw fence.

In Europe it is forbidden to use a dado set , but on this machine it is possible , the arbor is 5/8 and
long enough to hold a dado set , the is also a insert specially for dado.

Now the question , witch 8” set to buy . My saw blades are all freud . Should I go for the freud SD208 or Oshlun SDS-0842 ?

When I see the possibilities from A dado set , I want one .
Are there safety issues when working whit a dado ?

Comments and advice would be appreciated.

-- Greetings from Belgium


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knotheadswoodshed

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#1 posted 221 days ago

I really like my Freud SD508

-- Randy - "I dont make mistakes, I make design change opportunities" www.knotheadswoodshed.com

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Vertigo

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#2 posted 221 days ago

I have the Freud dado stack and it works great. Never had a problem with it. I think safety wise you just need to use common sense. Don’t hog out a 1” dado 2” deep. In one pass. Remember that you’re going to be spinning a lot more mass so go slow

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belgium

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#3 posted 221 days ago

Ok , thanks for the answers .
I done my research on this forum , and my choice comes on the freud sd606 or sd608
The dial a width type , the minimum step is 0,028” or 0,7mm. That is rather much ?
0,014” should be better , it is tempting to go for this type , no shims and easy setup.

Now testing the table saw , it is a world of possibilities , a out feed table is the first to make . There is a clear video on youtube , it folds alway when not in use.

I do not understand why a dado is forbidden in Europe , when you see the knives used on a moulder , that is something fearsome….

-- Greetings from Belgium

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BentheViking

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#4 posted 221 days ago

whoa whoa whoa dados are illegal in Europe? Why?

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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belgium

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#5 posted 221 days ago

Yes they are , they shorten the arbor so it is impossible to mount a dado .
I have to buy a American style machine , there is only one seller here , it is a grizzly 110 but the name is here harvey….
The CMT shims are much thinner …. the dial in types have to much movement for one step….
In the USA there is a lot of information , video’s and forums to discuss woodworking , here it is all for themselves.
( I know it and you don’t )
I am reviewing now the cmt 230.020.06

-- Greetings from Belgium

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pmayer

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#6 posted 221 days ago

I have a Freud dado set and it has performed well for many years. They are also a great company to deal with if you ever have a problem with the product.

-- PaulMayer, http://www.vernswoodgoods.com

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#7 posted 221 days ago

My understanding is that Europe wants you to ALWAYS use a blade guard and splitter, and dado blades don’t really allow that. Hence, “illegal” in Europe.

SD 606 is a 6” dada set. Usually, one would match an 8” dado set to a 10” saw.

I have heard gripes about the Dial-A-Width not being very precise – so I’ve never tried one.

I’ve used several different dado sets, but eventually bought the SD 508. I have used it for a lot of years (as a hobbyist). Clean shoulders, flat bottoms, precise widths. I seldom bother with shims; if I need a slightly non-standard width I just set the stack a little small and use stop blocks on the miter gauge and / or the fence and cut the width in two passes.

Safety is mostly TRYING to be careful, and THINKING before you start and CONCENTRATING on what you are doing. Three things are worth remembering. First, the dado stack adds up to a LOT of spinning mass, so it is going to take a LONG time to stop spinning; be patient. Second, a zero-clearance insert is always safest; so for common widths (1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch) it is definitely worthwhile making and keeping zero-clearance inserts. Third, push blocks are safer than hands for guiding the wood through the cut.

Have fun and be careful.

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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belgium

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#8 posted 221 days ago

That is some good advice , there is one insert for dado on this machine . But it is easy to make some more , whit zero clearance .
Safety is for me a issue , because my father had a accident , his sleeve was loosely and pulled in to the saw , he can no longer use his right hand.
So i work in a T-shirt , no sleeves or loose clothing . The sawstop is a fine piece off security but only available on there line off machines.
It is common knowledge , the loose sleeves , for me a lesson for life.
Now back to the dado’s , CMT is made in Italy , some types from freud also , I try to buy in Europe .
For some reason the customs always charge me for shipment from the USA , about 30%....

-- Greetings from Belgium

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bondogaposis

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#9 posted 221 days ago

Yes, there are some safety considerations. Most dado sets come w/ a set of shims. When using the shims you have to be careful that one doesn’t drop down into one of the threads, it will prevent you from tightening the arbor nut properly. You will think it is tight but in reality there will be gap in there somewhere and when you turn on the saw the whole thing will come loose. Don’t ask me how I know. I destroyed a dado set this way and very nearly the table saw too. Also the added mass will keep the whole thing spinning long after you turn off the switch. Now I try to minimize my use of shims and use playing cards w/ hole in the middle instead of the steel shims. Even if the playing card drops into a thread it won’t prevent you from tightening the dado up like a steel one can, for reference a playing card is a ~ .01” thick.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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belgium

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#10 posted 221 days ago

That is a good idea , paper comes in very different sizes and cost almost nothing .
I have now more understanding whit dado in Europe , it is allowed but not recommended to feed the work by hand. Thats the advice on the cmt website .
Now searching for the best deal for the cmt 230.024.08 set . I like to do my benefit from the dollar/euro exchange . On ebay there is nothing like this .
Information is good but it makes it harder to choose ….

-- Greetings from Belgium

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Howie

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#11 posted 221 days ago

Bondo, that tip about the cards is a good one. Never thought about that.

-- Life is good.

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Bogeyguy

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#12 posted 221 days ago

I prefer stacked dado’s. More precise and run a lot smoother than the dial type.

-- Art, Pittsburgh.

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TheDane

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#13 posted 221 days ago

I had one of the dial-a-width dado rigs several years ago … it was junk. Couldn’t produce flat-bottom dados.

As others have recommended, go with a stacked dado set.

I have a Delta dado set (no longer available) with shims, but I never use the shims. Instead I use old business cards with a 5/8” hole punched in them … I’m retired and don’t need them any more!

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Dutchy

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#14 posted 221 days ago

Hello belgium.

What makes you believe dado,s are forbidden in Europe? You are mentioning that you have to buy a american style machine to use a dado. The biggest producers of saw machines in europa is Altendorf, and al their machines are made for Dado work. But this is normally done with a groove milling tool.

I think that the american Dado,s are forbidden because the are not tested according to the europeen NEN 847-1 rules! That is i think the problem, not the Dado itself. But this NEN rules are only applicable when the Dado is for business use.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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belgium

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#15 posted 220 days ago

The rules…. groove milling tools are very expensive , altendorf also.
Whit the information given , i go for a 8” stacked dado , cmt or freud.
I am not a professional woodworker , my business is machine automation , working whit wood
haves a very relaxing effect .
I like to thank the many member who helped me out , i post my type , after new year.

-- Greetings from Belgium

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