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Forum topic by Scomel Basses posted 258 days ago 769 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Scomel Basses

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258 days ago

I’m looking at SS again and was wondering what the main differences are between the Professional and Industrial series. I know the ICS is heavier and all but what makes it cost $1000 more?


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Chris Cook

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#1 posted 258 days ago

We have this one at my work. While it is a very safe saw, it is not a very good saw.

It is rather flimsy and parts of it remind me of a sub $300 saw. It is loud and parts have already broken off the saw. We have 3 other (non SS) saws that cost less but are better saws.

Just my $0.02

-- Chris, “as soon as you come up with something foolproof, they come up with a better fool""

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JustJoe

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#2 posted 258 days ago

Chris, before the Sawstop Mafia comes and runs you out of town for such disparaging remarks, which model are you saying is a loud, flimsy, but safe piece of dog doo-doo – the “Professional” or the Industrial”?

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TheDane

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#3 posted 258 days ago

The Industrial has a bigger table (3” wider from front to back), and the rails for the fence are beefier. The ICS trunion is a big one-piece casting, while the PCS trunion is cast in two pieces joined together by large rods front to back.

With the ICS, you can have either a 3hp or 5hp motor while the Professional can have either a 1.75hp or 3hp motor.

The throat insert plate is also different. On the PCS, the throat plate lifts out while on the ICS it bolts down.

I can’t speak for any experience Chris Cook or anyone else has had, but I have had a PCS for over a year and a half and am delighted with it. It is a rock solid, well-engineered machine.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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AlaskaGuy

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#4 posted 258 days ago

Chris, I have never used a SS but visiting all the different forums I’ve never heard any comments like yours. They all pretty much give the SS saw very good marks so I’m surprised at your view.

You mentioned 3 other saws at your work place that are better even though you don’t mention brands or models. I looked at your profile and it says your a software engineer. I’m kind of curious what at least 4 table saw are used for at an software engineering business?

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Shawn Masterson

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#5 posted 258 days ago

There is an industrial SS at the job sight I am on. It is a 5hp 1phz its the safest saw I have ever seen. They refuse to put a new blade and cartridge in it because the people on the jobsite are too stupid to use the bypass with wet plywood. It really shameful to see a $5000 SS TS being used as a work bench due to ignorance. I talked to the tool room guy and inquired about buying it from the company, and he just laughed.

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MrRon

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#6 posted 257 days ago

Using the bypass, makes the SS no more safe than any other saw.

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jonah

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#7 posted 257 days ago

The safest table saw is one that won’t run. No chance of amputation then!

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CessnaPilotBarry

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#8 posted 257 days ago

We have this one at my work. While it is a very safe saw, it is not a very good saw.

It is rather flimsy and parts of it remind me of a sub $300 saw. It is loud and parts have already broken off the saw. We have 3 other (non SS) saws that cost less but are better saws.

I’m not in the SawStop Mafia… ;^)

However, I bought my personal ICS, which replaced a Canadian-made General 650 in use for ~ 11 years, after using several examples of ICS’ in pro settings, including professionally-run woodworking schools. I’ve also used examples of other well-regarded table saws, including PM66’s, Unisaws, and Jet cabinet saws.

Which parts broke on yours, and what do you feel is flimsy about it?

For the record, I thought my 650 was a beast, and made tons of nice stuff on it. I feel the ICS is a better tool, in every way. In 2+ years, not once have I missed the General.

-- It's all good, if it's wood...

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wbrisett

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#9 posted 257 days ago

I do have to say, this is exactly what I had hoped for a few years back… that is, saw stop rested on the laurels of their product (which from all accounts is very good), and stopped trying to force people into using system via legislation. Let the consumers decide what they want. I’ve never used a Saw Stop, only seen them at Woodcraft, but they do seem very well built. If I didn’t already have a cabinet saw, I might consider one myself.

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CessnaPilotBarry

886 posts in 744 days


#10 posted 256 days ago

One minor correction to The Dane’s excellent PCS/ICS comparison:

The ICS insert on my 2 year old version does not bolt in, it snaps in with a hold down lever. There are bolts on the ears that support the insert, but they are levelers.

It’s just as easy to make shop made inserts as any other saw, they just won’t lock down.

-- It's all good, if it's wood...

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Scomel Basses

157 posts in 631 days


#11 posted 253 days ago

I bought a 36” PCS today. I was able to get a very good deal from a local Woodcraft that is shutting down. I’m not going to put it together until the mobile base, which I got for free:), comes in. I just found out about the closing of this location and it sucks. I liked shopping there and the guys were always very helpful.

My plan after I get it set up is to use it for a while and then do a review on it and compare it to the Grizzly 1023RLW I just sold. I was going to get the 52” fence but after measuring it and and seeing how it would sit in my shop, it just took up too much room. I rarely break down big sheet goods anyway, and find it easier to do it with a circ saw so 36” should be plenty. I may move the rail over as I did with the Grizzly to get a few more rip inches out of it.

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moke

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#12 posted 251 days ago

Congrats Scomel,
I don’t think you will ever regret it. I have the PCS 52…it is a big dude, it takes a lot of space. I have a lot of space, but have to store all me tools compacted into one stall, so I depend on the wheels. It is a little ungainly, you have to be careful to not hurt the legs on the far end. I like to make some case goods, so I have ripped a fair amount of plywood, but if you had a good panel cutter or use a circ saw like u said, it would save the space of this big dude! I would recommend either making an out feed table or buying theirs, I have to take ot off to move it, but you can secure it with two wing nuts (metric though). I have never used any other good saws before this one so I really don’t have anything to compare it to. All my friends either have ICS aor PCS models.
Have fun..
Mike

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