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Forum topic by paxorion posted 12-14-2013 08:09 PM 2867 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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paxorion

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12-14-2013 08:09 PM

Topic tags/keywords: track saw festool grizzly

I thought I’d share a price comparison reality checks from one of my many Internet window shopping distractions of the day. I am hoping that in the near(ish) future, I will be in a position to purchase a track saw. As a hobbyist, I want to save as much money as possible, and have entertained the idea of the Grizzly Track Saw over splurging for a Festool TS 55 REQ. On the outside, it sounds like the Grizzly Track Saw has a significant price advantage, with the Festool being ~2.4x the price of the Grizzly ($245 vs $585). After reviewing the various forum topics, reviews tweaks I find myself asking what is the REAL cost savings if I consider the upgrading the saw with matching Festool accessories:
  1. The Grizzly Track Saw Set = $245
  2. A better replacement 48T saw blade = $70
  3. A storage container = $78
  4. Total = $393
vs.
  1. The Festool TS 55 REQ Set = $585

Now I know that there are viable more inexpensive blade (Oshlun, Freud) and container alternatives (none, Bosch L Boxxx, Dewalt TSTAK, home made), but my intent is to give my self a bit more perspective. What originally seemed like an massive price disparity, is diminished to the ~$200 range and ~1.52x the price of the Grizzly + upgrades. Is that a game-changer for me? Who knows. Would it be a game-changer when explaining it to the wifey? Someone let me know if that works for you.

-- paxorion


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Mark Davisson

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#1 posted 12-14-2013 08:51 PM

paxorion, I don’t have issues when explaining these things to my wife. If I asked for her input on the decision, though, I’d expect her to question why I used the $70 Festool blade and $78 Festool container in my analysis. She would probably ask me if there weren’t alternatives that represent greater value.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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MT_Stringer

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#2 posted 12-14-2013 09:18 PM

For a hobbyist, can’t you just sit the saw on a shelf or in a cabinet? That is where mine sits.
I bought the Scheppach track saw through WOOT! for $119. It is the same as the Grizzly. I even bought the 55 inch rail and the accessory kit from Grizzly. All fit, different labels and paint.

And I just received the Freud blade but haven’t tried it yet. I bought the saw to break down sheet goods for kitchen cabinets.

Good luck

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#3 posted 12-14-2013 09:40 PM

Interesting analysis, one should also consider resale value in

the secondary market as well. Scheppach, Dewalt, and Makita are new to the

market, but one should wonder about upgrades down the line and how much

of the original cost of the saw you can recoup to purchase a new one.

Maybe, maybe not.

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#4 posted 12-14-2013 10:08 PM

If I were in the market for a track saw the Grizzly would get the nod no questions asked. For what I might use it for just doesn’t justify the cost of the festool.

I don’t consider the cost of a blade or a storage container into the equation as I can find less expensive alternatives for storage and I consider the blade a consumable. Think of it like your getting a blade to cut wood that might have hidden nails or screws and save the good blade for material you know is clean.

As for resale I don’t care about that either. I by the tool to fit my needs not what some one might want to pay for it down the road.

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#5 posted 12-15-2013 01:10 AM

Happy to see the dialog on this topic. I do want to clarify that my intent was to find a “better” price-point, with the saw blade and tool storage being 2 no-brainers to (try to) eliminate from the comparison. Perhaps a better price-based analysis would have been based on subtraction rather than addition. So we might have:
  1. The Festool TS 55 REQ Set = $585
  2. A better replacement 48T saw blade = $70
  3. A storage container = $78
  4. Total = $437

This creates the converse of $437 – $245 = $192. Same numbers, but a different angle if we assume that the saw blade that comes with the Grizzly isn’t worth factoring in. So the question I might ask myself becomes, is the Festool saw, track, system potential, and other accessories worth the premium? And is my time in terms of hacking the Grizzly worth $192 minus materials? Not to say that I have an answer, but I was hoping to share my thoughts to see if a healthy dialog might help myself and others figure out the right answer for them.

I also acknowledge that different people have a different list of must/nice to haves. Good storage options are my tools share space in my small townhouse with all of the other storage items. As a result, they tend to be stacked on top of each other at the moment, and without some form of rigid storage, I lose valuable vertical space. This may not be the case for everyone, but it certainly is a factor for me. Nested into this dilemma, is the question of which storage system to invest in, as my OCD side likes to have everything match. Again, different must/nice to haves.

-- paxorion

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Mark Davisson

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#6 posted 12-15-2013 01:15 AM

paxorion, the $245 Grizzly set includes clamps (2). Festool’s REQ set does not, I don’t believe. You’ll pay $40 to upgrade the Festool to include clamps.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#7 posted 12-15-2013 01:23 AM

Mark – good catch on the clamps

And based on the responses thus far, I seem to be coming to a few theories…
  1. The one-sided responses makes me wonder if this topic ONLY resonates with individuals interested in the Grizzly’s potential, share anti-Festool-elitism sentiment, or is a penny pinching hobbyist
  2. A lot of people want the Grizzly to be a game-changer for those who would have never bought a Festool
  3. I should stop thinking about this until I’m actually going to pull the trigger. At which point, I should ask myself the question “how many clamps can the savings buy?”

-- paxorion

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Mark Davisson

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#8 posted 12-15-2013 01:38 AM

paxorion, I’m probably one of the people you described, but I don’t know which one.

I own $1,500 worth of Eurekazone stuff. I run a Makita 5008MGA – 8-1/4 inch with the included 24-tooth Makita blade. I couldn’t be happier with it. I break down all sheet goods on my EZ-One. I run all rabbets and dados (on sheet goods) using their Smart Routing Kit.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#9 posted 12-15-2013 02:15 AM

The Wood Whisper has a review/ comparison of the grizzly and the Festool ts55 eq. The TS55 req has upgrades over the older TS 55eq. If you can afford I would go with the Festool. Better quality, better resale value, but as you mentioned, higher upfront costs. Then again I am a bit bias since I own a lot of Festool. With the festool tracks you can use with their routers and jigsaws.

-- Bryan, South River, NJ

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#10 posted 12-15-2013 02:45 AM

Fish22 – Marc’s comparison is actually what clued me in on the existence of the Grizzly. Personally I’m still on the fence about committing to the Festool system at this moment. But if I were to entertain the idea, I believe the track saw and dust extractors would be my first Festool purchase(s)

-- paxorion

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#11 posted 12-15-2013 02:59 AM

I have the Festool TS55. It produces a smoother cut on plywood than my 5hp Powermatic with a WW2 blade.

Not even close.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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Fish22

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#12 posted 12-15-2013 03:02 AM

Paxorion

Festool does work better as a system. I bought the TS55 first and thought I would get buy with a shopvac, but then bought the CT26 and the difference was huge, plus the fact that when you start the tool, the vac kicks on. If you buy the tool with the vac you save 10%. if you find the right dealer, a lot of dealers will swap rails, for just difference in price. Some Festools, I can’t justify the price, but others I have no regrets. I always hated jigsaws, but after buying the PSB300, I find I use that for quick cutting tasks, and it produces cuts with little tear out.

Like I said, I am a bit bias. Good luck with your decision.

-- Bryan, South River, NJ

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#13 posted 12-15-2013 03:06 AM

Resale? if you bought it why think about selling it! if you have to sell it finding a buyer I would think would be more difficult for the Festool. If you are thinking about resale then you should probly rethink buying it in the first place. If it does the same job as well why pay more.

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#14 posted 12-15-2013 03:49 AM

I gave myself a treat, and purchased the the Festol. Also with that I got the accessory kit, and 2-55 inch tracks. I did do some comparison at the time I purchased it, but in the back of my mind, I kept hearing “You get what you pay for”.

I can be very frugal at times, but I decided to take the plunge.

Overall I spent $800 on it all, and have not regretted it. I love it. One of the tools I can not go without now.

-- Making progress

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#15 posted 12-15-2013 02:17 PM

I will throw in my two cents worth on this issue. First a lot of people are moving up to the new Festool track saw and there are a lot of the older and very nice ones on ebay. I bought both my ts 55 and ts75 on ebay for about a 30% savings. I have never seen the Grizzly but here is my philosophy on tools. If it is something you plan to keep and use for many years, will the few hundred dollars of savings really matter. When you use the festool you will know you have the best, with an extensive dealer network, and excellent service.

Festool is sorta like Apple, everything just works so well together. I have almost stopped using my joiner to square lumber, one cut with the ts55 and you are ready to glue. Cutting very thin strips for edge banding or curved work is so easy and precise. Regardless I think you will enjoy the track saw. I recently took my festool saw and vac into a friends house and we took one of those old TV stands made to hold a big TV, cut it up in his house and turned it into more of a entertainment stand. The cuts were perfect, and there was so little saw dust that I pulled the hose off the saw and just cleaned up. Did not even need the vacuum cleaner.

It is easy to copy, it is difficult to design and engineer.

-- Dave

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