Problem with how manufacturers mark chisels, plane blades, and most other tools

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Forum topic by planeBill posted 12-08-2013 04:17 PM 1100 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-08-2013 04:17 PM

Does it bother anybody else that no manufacturer seems to actually stamp their logo, name, or tool identification INTO the tools, but rather simply label them with this sort of etching? Take the new Stanley SW chisels, the new Veritas chisels and others as examples. Compare them with the old Stanley chisels that have the name and model numbers stamped into the socket, there for eternity for all to see. Eventually that, “whatever”, they use these days does and will disappear. Veritas’ new chisels are the same way, as is their plane blades. It just bothers me, don’t know why. Does it chap anyone elses behind?
Lie Nielsen is the only one I know of right off who does it the right way anymore. Sure, many Japanese chisels have “something” stamped into them, but who can read it? Not me.
Just a little rant.

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#1 posted 12-08-2013 04:40 PM

Other than the additional cost factor during manufacturing, I don’t know why some of the better manufacturers don’t do something more permanent. If the tools were meant to last a lifetime, you would think it would be a sense of pride to have your name on a tool for such a long time.

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#2 posted 12-08-2013 07:07 PM

Yeah I’m guessing it’s just cost. Stamping means you need a die, the item needs to be placed and held, replaced with the next one, etc. I would have to assume the tooling and process is much more expensive than a chemical or laser etching or whatever else is done more now.

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#3 posted 12-08-2013 08:15 PM

planebill, your right,
Along those lines, another thing, why do manufactureres have to do these so called upgrades on already proven good to be tools, like a hand miter box, used to be made of wood, now cheap plastic, they take perfectly good tools, and reduce them to junk, and call that a new and improved…....

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#4 posted 12-08-2013 08:28 PM

Ray Iles mortising chisels are stamped while Ashley Iles bench chisels are etched. I’m with planebill in that I think stamping definitely adds a bit of class to the product.

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#5 posted 12-08-2013 11:08 PM

We all made good points. Expense is always the main determining factor but those laser etching machines have to cost a pretty penny and chemical etching has to have some expense to it, though I don’t know diddly about the process and/or the ancillary processes/equipment needed but as whome said, it should be a matter of pride and promotion, and what better way to promote, for time everlasting, than to proudly put your name on the product you are asking people to give their money for, than to stamp your name, your reputation, right into the product you are selling. They are putting their name and reputation on the line(product), should they not be proud to do so? Andif I were to dream up some new and/or revolutionary tool of a higher quality than anything anyone else had you had better believe that I would want a permanent identifier on it to say, “Hey, this is the real deal, the one and only”. I would also want it to always be there.
Hobby1, I wish I could answer your question. That is a whole other rant and it not only applies to tools but to just about every single item manufactured. I don’t know why companies do this, I just don’t know. I wish they wouldn’t but they do, and you are right, most of the times there is simply no improvement but a degradation of a once fine product. If this was not a truism none of would be buying all of these vintage planes we buy, or old chisels or whatever it may be. I swear, I think Stanley is one of the best/ worst examples of this. I mean, Im sorry but the stuff they are putting out today is just crap(save for the new SW chisels which I love but I don’t know if Stanley actually makes them or not).

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#6 posted 12-09-2013 02:09 AM

There maybe a couple of good reasons -

1) It would not be easy or maybe even possible to stamp into A2 tool steel or other tool steels.

2) If they could stamp it into the tool steel, it would create a stress riser point which could easily initiate a crack and break the tool. The danger of this would be related to the type of tool steel, the depth of the stamp, and the cross section being stamped.

I for one would not want someone to stamp something into an A2 tool steel chisel. It likely would be very dangerous.

I think that solely associating not stamping some tools to the costs and the mfg being too cheap is a little unfair.

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#7 posted 12-09-2013 03:03 AM

Does nobody use steels that are not a 2? I think Veritas offers all of their tools in a choice of O 1 A 2 and pmv 11, Stanley’s new SW chisels are chromium vanadium and whatever the reason that they don’t do it, it’s still cheap and cheesey.

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