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Forum topic by propcarver posted 12-11-2008 03:54 PM 1423 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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propcarver

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12-11-2008 03:54 PM

I like to wooden toys and then give them away during the Christmas season. Now I find out that this will be illegal because I can not afford thousands of dollars for testing as required under the new Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA).

http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsia.html

This is a great example of the over reaching regulations that will truly place this country in the dust bin.

The federal government is The Grinch That Stole Christmas.

Here are a few links for those interested.

http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=4027593&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=

http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


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Peter Oxley

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#1 posted 12-11-2008 04:12 PM

The nanny state strikes again. Please, big government, please protect us from ourselves.

-- http://www.peteroxley.com/woodworking -- http://north40studios.etsy.com --

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Scott Bryan

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#2 posted 12-11-2008 04:27 PM

I saw that and knew that it would impact a number of us here. It just goes to show that “no good deed goes unpunished”.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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Kindlingmaker

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#3 posted 12-11-2008 05:06 PM

I must be getting old. In days past every kid had a jack knife in his pocket, we played outside and found that a cardboard box was a rocket ship, fort, boat and cabin. Trash can lids were our sheilds to fend off the fire of dragons and playing cowboy and indians was still politicaly acceptable. As the government has become so sickening with its forced insertion into ours lives and a part of the population that demands such protection those that are left are out in the cold… maybe. We can still do what we need to do as good people, giving, caring people even though we may get smacked for trying to help. When people in California were being sued for helping at an accident scene and disasters the good folks stop helping and the injured were left lying were they fell. After seeing what was happening, California had to pass the good simaritian law so people would start helping again without the possiblity of getting sued. Good deeds have got to stay with us and be taught to our childern. An act of kindness, of caring, no law should hinder. Off the soap box…

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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Russel

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#4 posted 12-12-2008 01:20 PM

Well folks, I’m not so sure the government is to blame for this. Because once was a time when if you got hurt playing with a toy you were told to be careful next time. Now the smallest injury is cause for legal action. In order to separate the legitimate claims from the nuisance, somebody has to define when the cause goes from stupidity to negligence. It seems to me that’s the government’s job.

It’s unfortunate that society has come to this, but I don’t think it’s big bad government causing the problem. And, from what I read, the actual requirements for safety in children’s products have not changed. So any honorable manufacturer will not need to change anything, other than acquire certification.

I have not yet done a detailed search so I cannot directly address the costs involved. However, I would like to ask where some of these numbers I’ve heard come from. When someone says thousands of dollars for testing, how many thousands are we talking about? Does anybody have a copy of the requirements from the CPSC? Unfortunately, they’re pretty difficult to find on their site.

I can appreciate and support a “call to arms” when necessary, but I’ve not seen enough facts yet to answer that call.

-- Working at Woodworking http://www.VillageLaneFurniture.com

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#5 posted 12-12-2008 02:37 PM

Those who cringe at (local, provincial,state and federal Govts) will
enjoy this one:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be
the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep,
his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience.” —Clive Staples Lewis (1898-1963)

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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propcarver

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#6 posted 12-12-2008 02:53 PM

Russel,

If you use the first link in my original post it will take you to the government site responsible for applying the new rules and laws.

I’ll post the link here again to assist you.
http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsia.html

That link should provide the information you require.

Regards,

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Peter Oxley

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#7 posted 12-12-2008 03:06 PM

And the link to Handmade Toy Alliance gives a lot of “what this means to you” type information. The companies that provide testing for Lead and Phthalates charge about $4000 per test.

-- http://www.peteroxley.com/woodworking -- http://north40studios.etsy.com --

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Peter Oxley

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#8 posted 12-12-2008 04:08 PM

My attorney often reminds me: you can litigate anything. As a maker of products, I can be sued for anything. If I have a product that has traces of lead – even well below the government standards – I can still be sued if someone decides that they have been harmed in some way by the lead in the product. The government can regulate the strength, the lead content, the formaldehyde content, the sharpness of the object … they can regulate until they are blue in the face, and I can still be sued for things that comply with the regulations. And, if the customer can convince a court that I was negligent, then I will have to pay, even if I was in compliance with regulations. So these regulations do not help me avoid being sued. However, they do mean that I have to work harder and spend more time and money to stay within compliance, or the government will sue me, too. I don’t understand the connection to preventing frivolous lawsuits.

As for the idea that nothing will have to change, except aquiring certification … let’s say that I do a healthy business making wooden tops by hand on the lathe. Each one is a little different because of different woods used and the fact that my turning skills are not CNC precise. Now I should test each model of top and mark each with a batch number and a date of manufacture. If every top is a little different, then is each one a unique model? How do I define a batch? “Batch” implies that all processes and materials are the same and from the same source, but none of my tops are quite the same. How do I permanently mark the batch and date information on a small, wooden toy without marring the beauty of the wood? Even if the testing was free, you can see how this would affect my process.

When I was growing up, we had foster kids. Even thought the parents were out of the picture, the foster kids went to see the grandparents about once a month, and after my folks got to know the grandparents, I started going sometimes too. These people had a unique system of discipline – if any one of us misbehaved, we all were punished equally. I resented being punished for someone else’s misdeeds then, and I resent it now.

-- http://www.peteroxley.com/woodworking -- http://north40studios.etsy.com --

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propcarver

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#9 posted 12-14-2008 02:23 PM

Small to mid size Companies have begun pulling out of the U.S. market because of the overbearing regulations.

One of the first to go.
http://www.selecta-spielzeug.de/index.php/selecta_en/

Story here.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK3CAM978F92K94

The saga continues.

Regards,
Bill

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RobH

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#10 posted 12-14-2008 03:21 PM

Now for a totally different thought. This will no doubt affect the U.S. toy manufacturers, and will cost them more money. So, what happens when the cost becomes overbearing to them? I think I can see another bailout coming.

-- -- Rob Hix, King George, VA

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