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darthford

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231 days ago

I’m shopping for 12” table saw blades for my new saw after buying a wobble-o-matic Forrest WWII that I’m sending back. Run out is .008 vs advertised .001 and its dished.

Anyone have experience with either of these two brands?

Ridge Carbide TS2000 – They claim a trademark secret that results in their blades not requiring stabilizer plates. .125 kerf I think…their web site info is all messed up for 12” blades so I’ll have to call them tomorrow.

Carbide Processors – Glue Joint Rip Saw Blade, 12” Dia, 40T, .161 Kerf, so its a huge kerf but the plate is .109 thick vs the Forrest .091 and I’m thinking thicker plate for this big saw.


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knotscott

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#1 posted 231 days ago

I’ve used a 10” TS2000 that was excellent….every bit the equal of a properly performing WWII. They also claim 35% more carbide than a WWII….from a glance I’d agree.

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darthford

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#2 posted 230 days ago

I ordered a TS2000 just now over the phone ETA 2 days via 2nd day air. They quoted me run out of .0015 to .002 for a 12 inch blade. I asked about the proprietary process that eliminates the need for stiffener plates, apparently its a hydraulic roller hardening process.

I guess I’ll go look at some Freud’s locally in the mean time since I have an extension table project I want to get started on today.

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Planeman40

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#3 posted 230 days ago

I’m going to suggest a blade that will cause many to want to burn me at the stake. That’s because it is a CHINESE blade sold by Harbor Freight. Say it isn’t so!!!

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-inch-80-tooth-alternate-top-bevel-design-circular-saw-blade-38545.html

A year ago I won Hammer Woodworking USA’s Fall promotion drawing of its K3 Winner 48” x 48” sliding table saw http://www.hammerusa.com/us-us/products/table-saws/table-saw-k3-winner-48x48.html which takes a 12” saw blade. It came with a nice 10” blade which I was happy with until I ran into a project that required a 12” blade. Being retired and on a slim budget, I was reluctant to spend around $130 for a blade I thought I would only a few times so I bought the above blade and shipped it off to Forrest Blades to have the center hole re-punched to the slightly larger European size plus the two additional holes for the safety pins also used on European saws. This saved me about $70 and would get me through my project. I doubted that I would ever need anything other than a 10” blade from then on.

Anyway, I liked the blade so much – it runs true and gives me an excellent smooth saw kerf – that I never took it off. That was nearly a year ago and I have been VERY happy with it.

Just a suggestion.

Planeman

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waho6o9

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#4 posted 230 days ago

What’s the dimension of your riving knife?

Isn’t the knife and the kerf supposed to be the same?

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Planeman40

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#5 posted 230 days ago

I have removed my riving knife on the Hammer saw as I had to keep taking it off to cut slots. A sin I know, but it had to be done. But the knife worked with the saw blade and was the same width. But it did stick up a little above the saw blade and couldn’t be adjusted any lower.

Planeman

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darthford

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#6 posted 230 days ago

Grizzly specifies blade plate thickness .074 to .082 and kerf .114 to .122 which I guess I will ignore since a full kerf blades will be .125 and plate thickness for the Forrest WWII .091, Ridge Carbide is .098, and Carbide Processors is .109. Grizzly says the riving knife is .090 (its actually .087). Oddly Grizzly’s specs for their 10” saw are better with plate thickness noted as .086 to .094 and kerf .122 to .129 with a riving knife thickness of .98 to .102. Maybe I will call Grizzly and ask them what the hell?

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Clint Searl

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#7 posted 230 days ago

Freud Fusion. Just as good as any, and I have Forrest, Ridge, and Carbide Processor Cermet. Blades are consumables.

Actually, unless you really need 12”, a 10” will serve just as well. I switched from 10” to 8” in my 34-444, and like it more.

-- Clint Searl.............We deserve what we tolerate

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darthford

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#8 posted 230 days ago

I found a Freud Fusion 12” locally in stock and ran over and picked it up so now I can get started on my work table project. I’ll use the Ridge Carbide for fine woodworking and the Freud for everything else I suppose.

Also I called Grizzly regarding the odd saw blade kerf/plate thickness specs in the G0696X manual, they told me to ignore them. lol

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waho6o9

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#9 posted 230 days ago

That’s amazing they told you to ignore them.

Appreciate the feedback.

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darthford

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#10 posted 230 days ago

To be perfectly clear waho6o9 they told me to ignore them in the context of I will be fine using a .125 kerf blade. Apparently the saw ships with a .125 kerf blade which exceeds the specs printed in the manual, that’s kind of funny.

Let me put the manual into perspective, the manual skips altogether the step of installing the fence rail tube. lol

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darthford

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#11 posted 230 days ago

Bam the Freud Fusion run out is .001 Grizzly also dialed in the blade to miter slot at .001 at the factory so I’m condition green, onward!

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clafollett

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#12 posted 230 days ago

I’ve been using the Fusions with pretty good success so far. I can’t compare them to the WWII since I’ve never used that brand. My local Woodcraft always has a pretty good supply of all things Freud. I hate changing blades out so I picked up a Fusion when the first came out and not sure I will ever using anything else. I think you’ve made a good choice!

I bet it cuts like butter with that 5hp motor spinning!

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darthford

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#13 posted 230 days ago

We’ll find out tomorrow, that saw is all but done, I’m about to post another blog on it. I did want a blade that had a flat bottom tooth which the Fusion does not but the Ridge Carbide does so I think I’ll be all set with these two. Grizzly is taking the Forrest back and issuing a refund.

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clafollett

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#14 posted 230 days ago

Yeah, the Fusion not having a chip breaker tooth to flatten out the bottom is a bit of a pain but it cuts like a hot knife through butter. I love it for all through cuts! Glad to see Grizzly took that WWII back.

I’ve heard good things about those Ridges. Since you have both the Fusion and the Ridge, I’m looking forward to a comparison. With that 5hp motor, it might be hard to tell the difference though.

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dahenley

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#15 posted 230 days ago

I have a 10” Ridge Carbide blade….
its my first “high quality blade” as i mostly used left over blades found on the shelf and stuff from the home center.

i will say that the carbide tips are WAY larger then my freud blade

i love the blade and it cuts smooth as glass. i mostly cut 4/4 lumber (cherry and oak) and i have been making some end grain cutting boards out of 6/4 and 8/4 Hard maple and Walnut. it cuts them with ease and with no burn marks.

i am sure you have used more blades then i (I’m a 27 year old college student thats been in the hobby for 2 years haha) so i hope my opinions don’t disappoint you and you can give us a more experienced opinion.

i will say to be careful when you take it out of the box….. its sharp (got a cut just messing around with mine…….) but it was worth it haha. (and i got mine from woodpeckers because they had a great sell. and I’m sure you shopped around and might have done well yourself)

-- David Henley

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