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yellowtruck75

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11-26-2013 12:51 PM

I am interested in upgrading my 6” Jet jointer to something 12”+ wide. I was looking at the Oliver 4255 but my local machine shop doesn’t sell it anymore so I thought I might as well look at other models. I need it to be single phase and I would prefer not to break the bank. I already have a helical head in my 18” planer so I don’t need one for my jointer.


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UpstateNYdude

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#1 posted 11-26-2013 02:01 PM

Buy a Grizzly hell you can get the helical cutterhead and still be half the cost of the Oliver.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0609X

or

http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Z-Series-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G9860ZX

Either one with shipping is still under the $5-6k price tag on the Oliver

-- Nick, “Discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime's work, but it's worth the effort.” ― Fred Rogers, Be My Neighbor

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yellowtruck75

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#2 posted 11-26-2013 02:38 PM

I live within 15 miles of the Grizzly showroom and I just don’t like their quality. Everything in there seems to be built very poorly and cheap. When I buy a tool or piece of equipment I want it to last long enough that I might be able to pass it on someday and I don’t see that happening with a Grizzly.

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jonah

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#3 posted 11-26-2013 02:57 PM

Hopefully the people you’re passing it on to have a crane to move the thing with. 12” jointers are beasts.

Why not go with an 8 incher? They are smaller, lighter, and cheaper, but still well-made tools that should last forever if taken care of.

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yellowtruck75

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#4 posted 11-26-2013 03:03 PM

I need the larger capacity for my seats that I build.

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danoaz

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#5 posted 11-26-2013 03:08 PM

Well yellow, I can’t give you any advice however, for you to pay something like that off within your life time it seems like a lot of butts will have to come your way. Frankly, I have never understood why Jointers cost so much. Good luck.

-- "Simplicity and repose are the qualities that measure the true value of any work of art." Frank LLoyd Wright

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yellowtruck75

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#6 posted 11-26-2013 03:22 PM

I have been looking at this one all morning and might be worth me stopping by to check out.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/The-Ultimate-12-Jointer/G9860

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Loren

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#7 posted 11-26-2013 04:06 PM

I see 12” and larger jointers frequently on auction sites.

This one, for example:

http://www.machinerymax.com/detail.asp?id=5314&n=NORTHFIELD-JOINTER-RESERVE-MET

In PA there used to be a lot of factories and the area has a lot
of inventory of used industrial machinery.

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woodmaker

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#8 posted 11-26-2013 05:25 PM

Yellowtruck75, not all of us can be that choosey. If money were no object I would buy better for sure. But Grizzly makes a damned good tool for the money. It’s like Corvette vs Porsche, the Corvette is just as capable of a car but 1/2 the cost (ish) and you get a lot of bang for the buck. I have yet to buy an inferior Grizzly tool. Just my .2 cents here.
Any tool can be made to last with proper care, just like maintaining your vehicles. Neglect them and they will die prematurely take care of them and they’ll last for quite a long time.
BTW not many wood working tools are made in the good old USA anymore, hence the drop in quality. So I guess that’s what .6 cents now. :-)

-- Mike

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JesseTutt

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#9 posted 11-26-2013 05:29 PM

I agree with Mike (woodmaker). I own a Grizzly band saw and it is of very good quality! My next jointer will be a 12” spiral head Grizzly.

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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#10 posted 11-26-2013 05:34 PM

Thickness planer with a sled?

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Loren

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#11 posted 11-26-2013 05:47 PM

Here’s a 16” American for $2500 OBO, and for a lifetime
machine purchase like that it’s really not that far a drive
from PA.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-American-Jointer-/251354944681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a85ec14a9

An argument could be made for building an x-y router
gantry for surfacing to 18” wide. Not as fast as a big
jointer, but a lot cheaper. Linear bearings off
ebay and aluminum extrusions or welded steel would
be a pretty straightforward build. For chair seat blanks
I don’t see length capacity as that critical.

At one time I dreamed of owning an aircraft carrier
of a jointer but eventually decided to focus on furniture
scale work and it’s really not often that I find my current
10” INCA inadequate to what I need to do.

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yellowtruck75

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#12 posted 11-26-2013 05:58 PM

Woodmaker I never thought it about it like that and you make a good point. I am gonna seriously look at the Grizzly 12” and stop by the showroom this week.

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DrDirt

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#13 posted 11-26-2013 06:22 PM

Well – for a fun upgrade – there is a 4 in 1, sliding 12 inch tablesaw, 16inch jointer/16inch planer and shaper.

http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/bidders_paddle.asp?lot=282837&auction=1BXB5H16Y2LSNOWXCFIQAQCAS2YO18&id=17549

Griggio LM410 Current bid is 1100 bucks!

Suspect it would be 3 phase but at that price, a phase converter is cheap

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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rlrobinhood

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#14 posted 11-27-2013 04:04 AM

What about dschlic1’s suggestion (10th reply down)? I think this would fit your bill and you probably already have a large planer.

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darthford

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#15 posted 11-27-2013 04:39 PM

You can pay more for a Powermatic or some other higher priced brand vs the Grizzly and years ago when those brands were manufactured in the USA, Canada, or Europe you got better quality for your money. Today most of this stuff is manufactured in Taiwan and China, often in the same factories, often the machines are 90% the exact same parts so what are you really getting for the huge premium in price?

I was shopping for a 8” jointer recently, the Powermatic was double the cost of the equivalent Grizzly fitted with a Byrd Shelix cutter head. I called Powermatic to try to understand what exactly I was getting for the additional $1,500. I asked about the motor…China. The guy couldn’t give me one example of what I was getting for that extra $1,500 over the Grizzly.

I have a Powermatic PM2000 table saw sitting in the garage, it has multiple quality issues and chunks of one of the mobile base wheels have been trailing the saw like bread crumbs.

I can afford whatever machine I want but I won’t throw money at a machine and get nothing in return.

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