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Dallas

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11-20-2013 11:22 PM

Sorry I haven’t been back on my guitar build, I am doing a bit of learning before I tackle that.
One thing I have found, buying name brand guitars that are broken is pretty cheap.
I bought this one for $100 including shipping. It has NEVER been set up. It was bought through a shop in Wisconsin and shipped semi-direct to the buyer from Epiphone. (What semi-direct means, I dunno).
I knew it had a broken headstock and wasn’t really concerned about that part. I could either user the Grover tuners and the bridge, saddle and pup’s on another guitar or fix this one.
It turns out the break is so simple I should have if fixed and playing in a few days.
Normally these Studio Les Pauls come with either generic pick ups or alnico pickups.
This one was special ordered with Seymour Duncan pickups.
The bridge and saddle are also top of the line.
I think I’ve died and gone to heaven…. I’m a gonna fix this little chunk of fire wood.

I also think I’ll make a new pickguard from multiple layers of hard wood, and probably new rear covers from the same wood.

Body is solid mahogany, Neck is Mahogany with rosewood frets.
The original nut, (Fret 1 string separator) is black plastic.

I may try to find some Bison, Elk, Moose, Deer, Reindeer, etc. bone to make nut and saddle from.

I hope you enjoy this!

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!


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#1 posted 11-20-2013 11:47 PM

Cool, hopefully you can get it going for cheap. Is that why you were looking for the corian? It wouldn’t take much bone to make the nut, what are you talking about for the saddle? My only experience with fixing up guitars is a 12-string electric acoustic univox custom I bought years ago. It was in unusable shape and I thought I’d fix it up a bit. It’s still propped up in the corner of the bedroom collecting dust.

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#2 posted 11-21-2013 12:12 AM

Actually, I mispoke. Les Pauls don’t have a saddle.
Accoustic Electric, Fenders, Accousitcs, etc have a saddle.

It is a piece of wood, bone or plastic that is below the sound hole or pickups and gives the strings an equal height from the bridge.

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Dallas

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#3 posted 11-21-2013 12:15 AM

Even a new neck for it will be around $100, so it will still be less than a new one.
Send pics of your Univox.
I did a few Yamaha, Ovation and Oscar Schmidt A/E’s that looked bad but were easier than I expected.

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Texcaster

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#4 posted 11-21-2013 12:54 AM

Good one Dallas, +1 for pics Joe. I keep a lookout for 12 string to string up as a 7 string to see if I like it.
I use drop D to flat pick so I can stay low and growly. Having a low C would solve not being able to chord open G

-- Bill....... " was you dryin' your nails or a wavin' me goodbye?" Tom Waits

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Dallas

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#5 posted 11-21-2013 12:31 PM

Today I’ll be building a holding and clamping jig for the body and neck. I won’t be in a hurry because I want this unit to acclimate a bit. Being on a truck from Wisconsin to Texas cannot have been conducive to equal swell and shrink cycles.

Bill, Lately I have one guitar set up with Nashville tuning and the Strat set up as normal. Mostly I’m just trying to get back into picking and playing. It’s been a long time since I had a chance to grow calluses.

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Dallas

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#6 posted 11-22-2013 01:09 AM

Texcaster, Too bad you aren’t closer so you could use the eBay here in the US.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-CD100-12-12-String-Acoustic-Guitar-Repair-Project-Broken-Neck-/390698774565?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item5af7763025

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Dallas

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#7 posted 11-22-2013 04:10 PM

I was busy yesterday and this morning. Aside from having a lingering case of the flu, I had to build a set of jigs to hold the headstock clamped at the correct angle to attack cleanly with the neck of the guitar.
This is what I came up with:

This is a kind of crude attempt, but it did line up the break very nicely so the pictures you see are of the gluing process.
I plan on adding threaded stock between the headstock clamp and the neck clamp, but I’ll put them on a locking swivel so I can always get the correct angle needed.
The wood I used is various cutoff pieces of walnut, sycamore, red oak, white oak and curly maple.
Instead of using felt padding, I used leather from a cow hide chunk I have. I glued it up with Gorilla WOOD glue, a type II glue with a decent open time and is extremely strong.

Tomorrow we’ll see how well I did on the glue up, but from what I can tell, there is very little squeeze out, and from finger touch, everything feels lined up and tight.

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#8 posted 11-23-2013 08:49 PM

Glue up is done, Strings are on, It has been holding tune for the last 5 1/2 hours, within tolerance of how the humidity changes the length of the strings. (I love how cell phone apps can measure that stuff).
If it will hold tune on my 2 electronic tuners within reason overnight, I will go on and see if I can repair the lacquer crack out and splits on the back of the neck.

I will also start functional setup… height of bridge, length of saddles, neck truss rod adjustment, height of pups, etc.
Last items will be live oak pick guard laminated to an aluminum sheet and the whole thing covered epoxy or Bartop coating.

It should be about right for a 12 year old grandson.

I used a piece of an old ebony plaque for a new nut. I’m not sure I’m fond of it.
I think some horn or a chunk of LEGAL antique ivory would look good.

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#9 posted 11-23-2013 09:29 PM

I’ve got a deer antler laying in the shed. Would a piece of that be workable?

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#10 posted 11-23-2013 10:54 PM

Joe, that would be great.
I tried to swipe a bone from the roast the wife is making but she caught me.

Bone and antler and ivory let the strings slide much more easily than plastic or just about anything else man made.
That helps the string stay in tune much better.

Lemme know how much to ship a chunk to 77856 and I’ll send you the cost plus!

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#11 posted 11-23-2013 11:16 PM

I’m just a few deserts to your left, so postage won’t kill me. Just PM me an address and an estimate of how long a piece I should cut off. I’ll mail it out Monday or Tuesday when I go into town.

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Dallas

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#12 posted 11-23-2013 11:23 PM

No problem!

Thanks

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#13 posted 11-27-2013 02:58 PM

Almost done. I need to do a bit more filling of the crack then dig up a can of nitro spray lacquer.
Since I’m on the way to the Dr. this morning, I’ll stop at our new Ace Hardware and see if they have any.
Then a coat of JPW and it’s done.
Even with a plastic nut, this baby plays like it was set up just for me…... which it was since I did the set up LOL.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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Bill White

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#14 posted 11-27-2013 03:10 PM

Am I to understand that the Epi’s are now made in China?
George Van Epps would have a fit.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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Dallas

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#15 posted 11-27-2013 04:43 PM

Epis are made in China, Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, Japan, and other Pacific rim countries. Just not made in the US anymore.

Every one I’ve had has been of good quality.

You can check to see where and when your Epiphone, Gibson, Fender, Yamaha, Ibanez, etc. was made HERE

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